gonzo
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The document I am using is dated 08/05/2005. Keep looking Mr. 700 you will find it eventually.
Machinists Union Merger Update
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The document I am using is dated 08/05/2005. Keep looking Mr. 700 you will find it eventually.
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- #302
There is no document the company and the IAM agreed to on 8/25/05.
Here is the link to the term sheet that modifies the previous CBA:
Finall Offer Term Sheet Modifications
Maybe you need to educate yourself, it is apparant you have no idea of what has transpired:
Here is the link to the term sheet that modifies the previous CBA:
Finall Offer Term Sheet Modifications
Maybe you need to educate yourself, it is apparant you have no idea of what has transpired:
Wait a minute - let me get this straight the IAM contract with scope that doesn't cover every senerio and will have to be modified is better than the Teamster contract with scope that doesn't cover every senerio and will have to be modified but has better pay and benefits. As Bugs would say - " Shezzz What a Maroon"
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- #304
You are incredible.
You make .68 cents more an hour yet you outsource all heavy maintenance to TIMCO and a foreign company in San Salvadore and have 800 mechs.
At US we do all the A320 heavy and 50% of the 737s and have almost 2,000 mechanics.
It is all about JOBS JOBS JOBS.
And since you have never been through a merger I guess you dont understand you negotiate a transition agreement to integrate workforces and keep the scope you all ready have and try to obtain some improvements.
And if IBT mechanic contracts are so great why does it let CO, HP and UPS farmout as much as they want?
And why did the former IBT contract at WN let them farmout out over 70% of Maintenance?
Proof is in the pudding there bubba.
You make .68 cents more an hour yet you outsource all heavy maintenance to TIMCO and a foreign company in San Salvadore and have 800 mechs.
At US we do all the A320 heavy and 50% of the 737s and have almost 2,000 mechanics.
It is all about JOBS JOBS JOBS.
And since you have never been through a merger I guess you dont understand you negotiate a transition agreement to integrate workforces and keep the scope you all ready have and try to obtain some improvements.
And if IBT mechanic contracts are so great why does it let CO, HP and UPS farmout as much as they want?
And why did the former IBT contract at WN let them farmout out over 70% of Maintenance?
Proof is in the pudding there bubba.
gonzo
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Present Scope:
"The Company will bring in house all sheduled S checks for A320 series aricraft where checks due following the implementation of this agreement."
"Base work will be perforned in both CLT and PIT."
"The Company may outsource all 757, 767, and A330 maintenance excluding normal line work."
"The Company may outsource a maximum 50% of the 737 required scheduled Q checks annually"
"The Company may outsource any and all work in the shops/areas as described in Attachment C"
This scope is identical to the scope that I indicated in my previous response. EXCEPT that the company has now removed and sold all the equipment in the "shops". There was a "going out of business sale" about a month ago. I got a notification of it in my e mail.
You are correct. We do not do "heavy check" maintenance. They do go to Timco and Taca. It has been that way since 1995.
Bringing the "heavy checks" back to any company is an issue for the company, a "bussiness decision". "Strong Arm" tactics to bring it back does not work, with the courts and administration of today.
Just an observation Mr. 700 you seem to constantly be saying "educate yourself". Please follow your own advise. Thank you.
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- #306
Once again, you failed to read and comprehend.
Those are modifications to the previous CBA there is more scope language then just that, you have to read the entire contract to understand that.
But since you are not a IAM member and still you still dont understand the process, what transpired and what work the US Mechanic and Related employees do.
But keep trying.
Those are modifications to the previous CBA there is more scope language then just that, you have to read the entire contract to understand that.
But since you are not a IAM member and still you still dont understand the process, what transpired and what work the US Mechanic and Related employees do.
But keep trying.
700 - Can't you understand what everyone is trying to tell you?
Its a piece of paper.. In todays world its meaningless.
Nothing is set in stone, nothing. We had a signed contract going into
the judges chambers.. He looked at it, said very nice then tossed it
out the window.. IAM loses..
The only reason the contract is what it is today is Lakefield wanted peace
so he could sell the place.. Simple as that.. He had the IAM right in the palm
of his hand.. NO CONTRACT.. It was voided by the judge. In the end the Scope
did not survive the judges rubber stamp.. Simple as that.
So you want to thank the scope clause for saving jobs? Think again. You want
to thank the IAM, Frank and Bill? Think again.. Thank Lakefield.. He's the one
that let it go out for a vote in its final format.. Didn't have to.. The company
won.. So basically you had nothing to lose by voting yes.. Oh wait, yes you
did.. Your job..
Now Doug is stuck with that piece of paper until he figures out a way to make
some of it go away.. The S checks are what he wants and the Q checks.. He wants
them off company property.. They do not want to nor do they have the desire to do
them. The cost to ramp up to do the additional S checks on the AWA fleet would be
costly. Doug is in the cost cutting mode, not the cost increasing mode.
Bet on it that the IAM and the IBT and whatever contract is on the table is going to
be subject to modification. Simple as that.
Nothing is set in stone. Everything is on the table and it can all be modified.
And the AWA mechanics make more than "Change" so keep your bubba talk
to yourself.. Got to the COB's if you want to find top scale at AWA.. Its right
there in black and white. Got it. Read what you write. Understand what you read.
Its a piece of paper.. In todays world its meaningless.
Nothing is set in stone, nothing. We had a signed contract going into
the judges chambers.. He looked at it, said very nice then tossed it
out the window.. IAM loses..
The only reason the contract is what it is today is Lakefield wanted peace
so he could sell the place.. Simple as that.. He had the IAM right in the palm
of his hand.. NO CONTRACT.. It was voided by the judge. In the end the Scope
did not survive the judges rubber stamp.. Simple as that.
So you want to thank the scope clause for saving jobs? Think again. You want
to thank the IAM, Frank and Bill? Think again.. Thank Lakefield.. He's the one
that let it go out for a vote in its final format.. Didn't have to.. The company
won.. So basically you had nothing to lose by voting yes.. Oh wait, yes you
did.. Your job..
Now Doug is stuck with that piece of paper until he figures out a way to make
some of it go away.. The S checks are what he wants and the Q checks.. He wants
them off company property.. They do not want to nor do they have the desire to do
them. The cost to ramp up to do the additional S checks on the AWA fleet would be
costly. Doug is in the cost cutting mode, not the cost increasing mode.
Bet on it that the IAM and the IBT and whatever contract is on the table is going to
be subject to modification. Simple as that.
Nothing is set in stone. Everything is on the table and it can all be modified.
And the AWA mechanics make more than "Change" so keep your bubba talk
to yourself.. Got to the COB's if you want to find top scale at AWA.. Its right
there in black and white. Got it. Read what you write. Understand what you read.
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I guess you fail to understand the IAM contract is not subject to modifications until 2009, they are out of bankruptcy and they don't have the judge in their pocket anymore.
And I guess you fail to comprehend the scope language was tested in court and arbitration and the IAM prevailed.
And the contract was abrogated, but the company held off implementing it and just modified the previous CBA with the Term Sheet.
And I spoke to Lakefield in person about it, then the enhanced layoff letter came out.
Yes they wanted labor peace, but the scope language stands and just cant be wiped away.
Top scale at HP is only 68 cents more an hour. But go ask their GSE mechanics who earn less then the AMTs about wages.
And I guess you fail to comprehend the scope language was tested in court and arbitration and the IAM prevailed.
And the contract was abrogated, but the company held off implementing it and just modified the previous CBA with the Term Sheet.
And I spoke to Lakefield in person about it, then the enhanced layoff letter came out.
Yes they wanted labor peace, but the scope language stands and just cant be wiped away.
Top scale at HP is only 68 cents more an hour. But go ask their GSE mechanics who earn less then the AMTs about wages.
Why shouldn't they? Do they perform the same type of work, and if they do, why? Another bad decision from previous negotiations.
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Spoken like a true elitst, your true colors are showing now.
Been to your local mechanic lately? $65 an hour for labor.
And they should be as they provide a vital role in keeping the airline running just as much as a AMT.
Enough already, have not had anything on the original posted topic in many pages!!! Hey Mods, do all a favor and close this!! Same words over and over...burning bandwidth!!!
allstrike
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Well like larry says... get her done.
uh,your contract as of 5 minutes ago.
page 63...ground mechanics,facilities electritions....top out....$18.67.
techs and plumbers..top out..$16.94
And by the way what the hell is a ground mechanics assistant,does he work there as a mech or not...top pay.
a staggering...#15.22
They will all be at $22.77 with the IAM if they have the top out time.
But non the less our mech start pay is $15.48
perks dont pay the bills...money does..
oh ya page 2 section 2.3 what does it mean..The parties agree (that is you and the company)that the Company (that being DP and Al) may continue to (a) contract out work heretofore>(means forever after)<customarily and historically contracted out >(meaning now and in the past forever) if you never had it you wont get it.
got lots to do hu,well its tuesday...good luck..
I always give my honest opinion, never hiding my true colors.
I never downplayed the work they do or their importance. Dont try yout typical tactice to make it appear that I am attacking a group.
FACT: AMT's being able to bump GSE mechanics simply because of seniority is a bad decision. You speak about spending 65 bucks an hour at the local shop? Did that mechanic just jump in their and fix my car or has he been trained on the specific vehicles after taking vehicle training at a vocational school?
I was bumped from the line and bumped right into PHL GSE. Yes, I work on my car, but knew nothing about a deice truck. They put me to work on one. I said I never did. The response, too bad you bumped in. Did I get angry at my "union brother" no. I thought to myself, he's right. I know nothing but I bumped in to keep a paycheck. Did I earn it? No. Did I get one for 6 weeks? Yes. Was it a vital role in keeping the airline operating? Yes.
So, should an AMT be payed the same as a GSE mechanic? No, more. If the GSE mechanic does not like it and believes he could get payed more at a car dealership like you state? See ya. Lets see if the mechanic nets the 65 bucks or the shop gets the biggest percentage. Plus, he gets paid by job, not by day. So lets see him milk a brake job all day. That will be all he gets, one job worth of pay. If he's not ready, he'll regret it.
On the other hand, the AMT's should think about the base maintenance, but work to get more money in their wallets. It's the way to go. Raise the pay scales ad forget about the big work.
PS on a previous post you stated "JOBS JOBS JOBS" what I read was "DUES DUES DUES"
I never downplayed the work they do or their importance. Dont try yout typical tactice to make it appear that I am attacking a group.
FACT: AMT's being able to bump GSE mechanics simply because of seniority is a bad decision. You speak about spending 65 bucks an hour at the local shop? Did that mechanic just jump in their and fix my car or has he been trained on the specific vehicles after taking vehicle training at a vocational school?
I was bumped from the line and bumped right into PHL GSE. Yes, I work on my car, but knew nothing about a deice truck. They put me to work on one. I said I never did. The response, too bad you bumped in. Did I get angry at my "union brother" no. I thought to myself, he's right. I know nothing but I bumped in to keep a paycheck. Did I earn it? No. Did I get one for 6 weeks? Yes. Was it a vital role in keeping the airline operating? Yes.
So, should an AMT be payed the same as a GSE mechanic? No, more. If the GSE mechanic does not like it and believes he could get payed more at a car dealership like you state? See ya. Lets see if the mechanic nets the 65 bucks or the shop gets the biggest percentage. Plus, he gets paid by job, not by day. So lets see him milk a brake job all day. That will be all he gets, one job worth of pay. If he's not ready, he'll regret it.
On the other hand, the AMT's should think about the base maintenance, but work to get more money in their wallets. It's the way to go. Raise the pay scales ad forget about the big work.
PS on a previous post you stated "JOBS JOBS JOBS" what I read was "DUES DUES DUES"
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I thought that you had a handle on what was going on with the IAM and US Airways. Sadly I was wrong I thought you were knowledgeable about what the IAM contract was offering and that you would be truthful and straight forward. You are not truthful nor are you straight forward. You are not here to give valid information you are here to cloud the information.
The IBT sees the future. CO, HP and UPS are not in the same situation that YOU ARE. They have kept the jobs. More and more and more jobs does not mean security for the members it means more dues for the union. Yes, the IBT likes the dues too, but dues from 800 mechanics is better than none from a failed company. Does that make sense to you?
Bird Doctor
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Talk to your machanic. Only $15-20 of that $65.00 goes in his pocket the other $45-50 go to the owner.
Don't tell me you thought your machanic makes $65 an hour. You are in a dream world. Bet you think we should get Pilot pay at $100 an hour. You are ate up with the IAM
