Mechanics vote

[Snafu]

Correct Brutally.

Airwoman,

Because under the IAM CBA the A320 family and 50% of the 737s are all overhauled in-house, the stock clerks make $7 more an hour vs the ibt cba which lets HP outsource all heavy mtc.

That is enough for me.

Sounds pretty selfish and self centered. What about all the other "brothers and sisters"?

 

[700UW]

What about the brothers and sisters who overhaul US/East planes in PIT and CLT, since the ibt CBA has no provisions for heavy mtc, you can go tell them that their jobs will be eliminated under your ibt cba.

 

[Awa Contract]

This is where the IAM and Doug Parker are both saying the same thing but telling only half truths. Both sides are saying that the IAM contract will be the surviving contract reguardless of who wins the election. If this is the case they do not get to pick which portions of the contract they want to honor so the work stays in house. The IBT contract is being amended and the proposed scope is even tighter than the IAM scope. Even if it was not it would have to be approved by the membership, I do not think that they would give thier jobs away. The two contracts would stay in place untill the new contract is ratified by the total membership. Try telling the whole story instead of just the part that furthers your cause. Maybe this is why the card are still coming in, even your membership has had enough of the IAM. They are looking for a change.

 

[320tech]

The differance is the IAM/CBA all ready contains the language to perform the work in-house and have the expertise and all the tooling and the facilities. And we all ready perform all the A320 overhaul, 50% of the 737s, you don't.

We have also performed until the last final offer CBA all the overhaul on the A330, 767 and 757.

Can you say the same about HP and the ibt/HP CBA?

I always thought it was the mechanics that do the checks not the union! so were is the iam expertise come in?

 

[700UW]

The members are the union.

Is that the best you can do?

 

[320tech]

Gee, cant even eat dinner?

The Stock Clerks at US/East are under the same certification as mechanics and utility and under the same CBA, top out pay is $16.50 at east at west what is it like $10.00?

And you better get use to the IAM/CBA as you will fall under as soon as the NMB grants single carrier status.

And Airwoman there are precedent setting cases.

AMFA's win at NWA, WN and UAL the CBAs were not renegotiated until amendable dates per the RLA.

PSA being merged into US the ibt contract went bye bye and the mechanic and related were transitioned to the IAM/CBA at US.

Piedmont/US Airways Merger, both were IAM different CBAs, both groups placed under the US/IAM CBA.

PFAA ousting the ibt at NWA, PFAA serviced ibt CBA till it became amendable.

Go look them up on the and you see nothing but the facts.

those examples you give are for airlines that still exist, the us airways you worked for no longer is around there is a new company do you understand yet there 700, no court would rule on forcing a old companies contract on another union!

 

[700UW]

The courts have nothing to do with it and there is all ready precedents. The NMB has jurisdiction

PSA was merged into US Air, PSA was ibt and US was IAM, single carrier status granted and the PSA Mechanic and Related fell under the IAM/CBA.

Apparently this is your first merger, I have been through several.

Go educate yourself.

PI merger with US, PI M&R brought under the US/IAM CBA.

Do I need to continue?

 

[320tech]

Correct Brutally.

Airwoman,

Because under the IAM CBA the A320 family and 50% of the 737s are all overhauled in-house, the stock clerks make $7 more an hour vs the ibt cba which lets HP outsource all heavy mtc.

That is enough for me.

I'm sure glad your taking care of the stock clerks and not the 850+ awa techs that will take pay and benefit cuts and you want to kill our 401k to take care of you iam pension plan.

The members are the union.

Is that the best you can do?

so by your comments you claim nobody at awa nows how to do heavy checks maybe you need to pass out more parts buddy I've done over 4 years of c&d checks before I went to the line and I'm not the only one left here that has done heavy checks for awa or other airlines.
so is that the best you can do!

The courts have nothing to do with it and there is all ready precedents. The NMB has jurisdiction

PSA was merged into US Air, PSA was ibt and US was IAM, single carrier status granted and the PSA Mechanic and Related fell under the IAM/CBA.

Apparently this is your first merger, I have been through several.

Go educate yourself.

PI merger with US, PI M&R brought under the US/IAM CBA.

Do I need to continue?

are you brain dead or what when you took over PSA there was no vote to change the union there will be one this time!

 

[700UW]

The only way there will be a vote is to get enough cards and then have enough vote.

Also a change in representation does not change nor open a CBA under the RLA until it is amendable.

How many times do you ibters have to be told that?

When will you comprehend it?

 

[delldude]

my goodness......i thought i gave a good accounting of how it would go five pages ago.....surf up 'er what?

 

[Snafu]

my goodness......i thought i gave a good accounting of how it would go five pages ago.....surf up 'er what?

Looks like this issue will be debated until something official is released. :unsure:

 

[BrutallyHonest]

The only way there will be a vote is to get enough cards and then have enough vote.

Also a change in representation does not change nor open a CBA under the RLA until it is amendable.

OK then if there is a change, having the ibt negotiating in 2009 may not be that bad. Right now friLIEberger is negoiating a transtion agreement and we no NOTHING about what is being talked about. I'm sure he's pulling for the interests of his pit station at the expense of the whole membership AGAIN. Thats one of the reasons why so many people want the iam gone. Thers many more examples also. Can't you see why the members are angry?? You can't be that blind. 🙁

 

[700UW]

I dont care for Bill and his style.

Vote him out this year.

 

[wrencher9]

Bottom line is : Which Union do you believe? I as many others have had true dealings with the IAM and have loss many things including self respect.The Company laughs as we say we are going to the Union to resolve problems. The biggest clue to you is to ask " Where does the Company end and the Union begin?" Also you can't see the Union on the floor or talk to them in a respectful way unless you are completely in the IAM doctra. Remember we can't loss anymore without the IAM representing us if we loss them completely so what will we loss without them representing us . For as I know as many; the IAM is truely a Company Union. Prove different to us and many at USAIRWAYS I am wrong. I have seen the utility members leave with no IAM contact.

 

[Snafu]

Bottom line is : Which Union do you believe? I as many others have had true dealings with the IAM and have loss many things including self respect.The Company laughs as we say we are going to the Union to resolve problems. The biggest clue to you is to ask " Where does the Company end and the Union begin?" Also you can't see the Union on the floor or talk to them in a respectful way unless you are completely in the IAM doctra. Remember we can't loss anymore without the IAM representing us if we loss them completely so what will we loss without them representing us . For as I know as many; the IAM is truely a Company Union. Prove different to us and many at USAIRWAYS I am wrong. I have seen the utility members leave with no IAM contact.

Sounds like an assignment for Mr. 700.