HPearlyretiree
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US is the typhoid mary of the airlines, nothing good ever comes from it.
Merger Us/awa
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This looks like a TWA transaction . . . only worse for AW employees. TWA employees were whooping it up when the acquisition was announced. All the AA employees I was around, were very apprehensive and sullen at the news . . . because they knew what would eventually happen.
Be very very careful and don't believe the BS about how great this is going to be. Protect yourself first. You're probably being sold a bill of goods and will get the "bum's rush" to integrate the lists . . . much to your detriment.
Be very very careful and don't believe the BS about how great this is going to be. Protect yourself first. You're probably being sold a bill of goods and will get the "bum's rush" to integrate the lists . . . much to your detriment.
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Winglet said:
Some facts to think about:
1) When AA/TWA were talking TWA was NOT in bankruptcy (US was before the talks even started). TWA entered into bankruptcy per request of AA.
2)"We look forward to adding TWA,s 20,000 employees to the American Airlines family." Donald Carty, CCChairman & CEO American Airlines, US Senate testimony, Feb. 1, 2001
3)Oh then there is this "Purchaser offers to...(iii)provide employment benefits and post-retirement benefits to all employees actually hired by Purchaser at levels substantially NO LESS FAVORABLE THAN THOSE BENEFITS PROVIDED TO PURCHASER'S SIMILARLY SITUATED EMPLOYEES." Filed by AA with bankruptcy court
4)None of the post merger courts upheld this agreement. All of the rulings were to let the staple job with a fence in some places stand.
5) With this all taking place the same thing will happen to the US employees. The courts can't rule two different ways. If they do then let the fun begin at AWA/US and at AA/TWA. The US people will have to be stapled as nasty as it is.
6) AA, their employees and the wonderful courts that we have in this country have placed the staple job in the records.
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USA320 is not going to be too happy if this happens. Savy
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HPearlyretiree said:
as a retired U /PSA employee all i can say is fight this with all your might...nothing they(U) touches , makes it , unless you have a Golden Parachute.
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According to the WSJ article I just read, GECAS wants to reduce thier overall risk by terminating the lease on 60+ (the 64 stated earlier in this thread) that have GE ENGINES. The only GE engined aircraft in the US/HP fleet(s) are the 737s and US's 10 762's.
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Too bad HP and US Airbii have differant engines! Both carriers 757s and 737s are common...
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luvn737s
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Who cares about engines?? When at an outstation, maintenance will be done by line or contract. Overhauls are done by vendors. Aircraft can be shuffled among lesees and orders placed to homogenize the fleet over time. It's by far the least of the deal-breakers.
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Luvn737s: where did I say it was a deal breaker - Oh wait, I didn't.
Who cares about engines??? Differant engines require differant parts, training, and support materials (manuals, certificates, paperwork, etc.). All of these add costs to the operation. Aircraft can't just be "shuffled amoung lesees" and with what money are these "orders placed to homogenize the fleet over time" going to come from? Certainly not from true fleet commonality cost savings!
Who cares about engines??? Differant engines require differant parts, training, and support materials (manuals, certificates, paperwork, etc.). All of these add costs to the operation. Aircraft can't just be "shuffled amoung lesees" and with what money are these "orders placed to homogenize the fleet over time" going to come from? Certainly not from true fleet commonality cost savings!
Winglet said:
The TWA employees were "whooping it up" when the acquistition was announced because they thought that they were going to get to keep their extremly high TWA seniority system wide and take the best jobs from the senior employees at AA. They viewed the nAAtives as nothing more than a colossal cushion to insulate them. Fortunately, we were able to keep what was/is rightfully ours. And you are right about the feeling of apprehension amongst the nAAtives. As someone said in the past; the TWAers had nothing to lose and everything to gain as to where the nAAtives had nothing to gain but everything to lose.
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<_< aa----- Now, now! I didn't know you were a spokes person for exTWA employees? How do you know what was going on in their minds? Talk to one or two did you? Maybe you had a direct line on what the majority of exTWAer's really felt? You know, I don't rember seeing you here at here at MCI? But it must be just an oversight on my part! Or were you in St. Louis? Or another of our "Major "stations? But I know you must have got your info. from someone! I don't think you could have created all that fiction (and I'm being diplomatic!) by yourself!!!!aafsc said:
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luvn737s
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HP has three different aircraft types with three different engines. They have had plenty of time to switch to one, but have chosen not to.markkus757 said:
An example of the lesee shuffling is GE taking back US planes and shipping them overseas. And if there isn't money to place new aircraft orders in the future, there isn't any future.
The fact that HP can buy fuel for US under it's hedge will dwarf any engine commonality savings.
