Merger Us/awa

[luvthe9]

This looks like a TWA transaction . . . only worse for AW employees. TWA employees were whooping it up when the acquisition was announced. All the AA employees I was around, were very apprehensive and sullen at the news . . . because they knew what would eventually happen.

Be very very careful and don't believe the BS about how great this is going to be. Protect yourself first. You're probably being sold a bill of goods and will get the "bum's rush" to integrate the lists . . . much to your detriment.

[post="267580"][/post]​

We are both being thrown together my third party money its anybodys guess how it will turn out.

 

[aafsc]

<_< aa----- Now, now! I didn't know you were a spokes person for exTWA employees? How do you know what was going on in their minds? Talk to one or two did you? Maybe you had a direct line on what the majority of exTWAer's really felt? You know, I don't rember seeing you here at here at MCI? But it must be just an oversight on my part! Or were you in St. Louis? Or another of our "Major "stations? But I know you must have got your info. from someone! I don't think you could have created all that fiction (and I'm being diplomatic!) by yourself!!!!

[post="267810"][/post]​

Talked to a few TWAers in different cities. Plus I saw the video and pictures of the MCI picnic. This was, of course, before 9/11 and the layoffs and before the Kasher arbitration award. But the impression I got from the pictures from MCI is that the TWA people were relieved. They though AA was their savior, which of course means that they thought that they were going to get full TWA seniority system wide.

 

[Squonk]

Talked to a few TWAers in different cities. Plus I saw the video and pictures of the MCI picnic. This was, of course, before 9/11 and the layoffs and before the Kasher arbitration award. But the impression I got from the pictures from MCI is that the TWA people were relieved. They though AA was their savior, which of course means that they thought that they were going to get full TWA seniority system wide.

[post="267826"][/post]​

If you recall, U gave full seniority to PSA and PI. US also restored original full seniority dates to Empire employees who had theirs "adjusted" when PI bought them. U has a track record of honoring date of hire seniority.

B)

 

[Fly]

Which means you are screwed if you work for AWA.

 

[funguy2]

Only if U buys AWA... AWA has no history of what they do with acquisitions.

 

[Fly]

Depends on the union. As for AFA, date of hire....period! Therefore, if you are a AWA f/a, you are screwed.

 

[us0004us]

Depends on the union. As for AFA, date of hire....period! Therefore, if you are a AWA f/a, you are screwed.

[post="267847"][/post]​

how so?

are you not date of hire now?


are you unhappy w/ doh?

 

[Fly]

If I were a flight attendant at AWA, I'd be scared about DOH. Why? Hmmm, have you ever flown on U or AWA? Ever notice the age difference in the f/a's? That's why!

At least at the proposed UAL/U merger, the groups were more evenly matched. This is a serious blood bath for the AWA f/a's.

 

[MCI transplant]

Talked to a few TWAers in different cities. Plus I saw the video and pictures of the MCI picnic. This was, of course, before 9/11 and the layoffs and before the Kasher arbitration award. But the impression I got from the pictures from MCI is that the TWA people were relieved. They though AA was their savior, which of course means that they thought that they were going to get full TWA seniority system wide.

[post="267826"][/post]​

Video of a picnic!!! And your an expert on how we fealt about aa???? Thanks aa I needed that!!!!

 

[Workingman]

Talked to a few TWAers in different cities. Plus I saw the video and pictures of the MCI picnic. This was, of course, before 9/11 and the layoffs and before the Kasher arbitration award. But the impression I got from the pictures from MCI is that the TWA people were relieved. They though AA was their savior, which of course means that they thought that they were going to get full TWA seniority system wide.

[post="267826"][/post]​

Now I know your skill you read peoples minds by looking at a video. Do you think we would have been okey without AA maybe. I bet TWA would still be flying had it not been for AA. Guess we should have known better than to believe DDon Cartys lies in the US Senate and more of his lies with the purchase agreement before the judge.

 

[JAMAKE1]

Depends on the union. As for AFA, date of hire....period! Therefore, if you are a AWA f/a, you are screwed.

[post="267847"][/post]​

FLY:

I've got to disagree with you on this one. I worked for PSA during the USAir merger and was with USAir by the time the Piedmont merger came around.

For all of its faults, the ONE thing USAir(ways) got right was merging seniority lists by Date-of-Hire. It works. What you don't realize, is that not only are the employees being inherited, but the FLYING is being inherited as well. It all evens out.

Having been through two mergers, I would have to say DOH is the fairest and most equitable way to merge seniority lists. Based on my experience, I don't believe that AWA F/A's will get "screwed".

Perhaps a few of the former PSA folks will want to come back home, but on the other hand, perhaps some of the AWA people will want to seize the opportunity to fly Transatlantic. It balances out.

 

[ILS28R]

Both carriers 757s and 737s are common...

[post="267701"][/post]​

yes they are both old 😀

 

[PA18]

If you recall, U gave full seniority to PSA and PI. US also restored original full seniority dates to Empire employees who had theirs "adjusted" when PI bought them. U has a track record of honoring date of hire seniority.

B)

[post="267827"][/post]​

To set the record straight, the former Empire pilots have never had their original seniority restored. They are still bunched together on the seniority list where the former Piedmont ALPA stapled them.

In the ensuing merger between USAir and Piedmont, the USAir Merger Committee did a brilliant job in using the plight of the Empire pilots to illustrate to the arbritrator just how greedy the Piedmont pilots were, which helped USAir win its case for date-of-hire, and torpedoed Piedmont's argument for slotting.

However, once the arbitration was won, and the Empire pilots were no longer politically useful to the USAir pilots, the former were once again swept under the rug, and their appeals to the USAir MEC for restoration of their seniority fell on deaf ears.

OTOH, the former Trump Shuttle pilots were slotted on the US Airways seniority list (with the senior Shuttle pilot conveniently being placed right behind the class of the then-US Airways ALPA MEC Chairman).

So, unlike AFA, US Airways ALPA does not have a track record of honoring date-of-hire seniority.

 

[Fly]

It balances out.

[post="267910"][/post]​

If the seniorities were somewhat equal, I'd agree. In this case though I'd be scared to be an AWA f/a. With a merger, they will likely eliminate some jobs. And they will undoubtably be AWA f/a's.

 

[acmech]

Nothing good will come of this merger. Remember the hose job AA gave to the TWA folks? :angry: :angry: