New JFK-LHR schedule

[jimntx]

Where do you get that erroneous information that f/a's have to notify the company 3 months before they can retire? That is absolutely wrong. Maybe you are confusing resigning the international division to go domestic but a's far a's resigning or retiring you can walk in to at any given moment and retire or resign.

From Jetnet/Benefits/Retirement Planning...

"You should begin this process about 60 to 90 days before your planned retirement date, but not less than 30 days." You sure about that walk in and retire on the spot statement?

 

[IORFA]

Jim, it says "should" and that is just for the reason you stated. Your first check takes time to authorize with all the paper work. Also, what law are you taking about that mandates a recall extension? Are you taking about the seniority integration law? If so, I didn't think that it mentioned recall time frames. Could be wrong, just trying to understand.

 

[Veritas]

True, but If I remember correctly, none of the furloughee attrition was due to people dropping off the recall list. The law extending their recall was passed in 2008, wasn't it? The furloughees who were included in the attrition were people who retired. I don't think it was as high as 40% of the total attrition. With a couple of notable exceptions, up until this year attrition has averaged over 100 month for several years. It's one of the reasons that my seniority number has dropped by over 4000 numbers since I was recalled 6 years ago.

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Mea Culpa! Mea Culpa!

From what I understood from MK's posts, employees who went from active to furloughed status were counted in the attrition total. Approximately 550 were furloughed in 2009. IIRC, about 330 were furloughed in April and another 220 or so in October. I don't have access to the Flight Service site. If you check, I am sure that you'll see spikes in the attrition figures for April and October of 2009. 550 out of a total attrition of 1,308 equal roughly 40%.

I am in agreement with you that employees who retired from furlough status are not counted in the attrition totals.

 

[jimntx]

Jim, it says "should" and that is just for the reason you stated. Your first check takes time to authorize with all the paper work. Also, what law are you taking about that mandates a recall extension? Are you taking about the seniority integration law? If so, I didn't think that it mentioned recall time frames. Could be wrong, just trying to understand.

The "should" applies to the 60 to 90 days phrase. the "but not less than 30 days" is not optional. Not only will your paperwork not get processed in less time, you will not be considered retired regardless of what you call it. Not showing up to work during the interim would give the company the right to put Missed Trip notations on your record. I do agree that you can quit on the spot, but I don't think you are going to get a retired designation on the spot.

It may not have gotten to the point of the law being passed--the APFA may have agreed to extend voluntarily rather than be forced into it by Congress. IIRC, Sen. Claire McCaskill (sp?) of Missouri introduced a bill into Congress that would have forced an extension of the furloughees recall rights. The company and the APFA did not win any friends in Congress with their handling of the seniority issue for the flight attendants, and there was a great deal of support in Congress on both sides of the aisle for passage.