Obama Strikes again

[SparrowHawk]

I understand what you are saying, however they have to choose a party to get elected.

Which party did the so-called tea party candidates run in? Which party do they now reside in the Congress?

Well they had to pick a party where they had a shot of getting out of the Primary. Hell Ron Paul had to pick a party. The party that's out of power is the mostly likely place to start. If the Republicans held the White House, Senate & House by significant margins then the Tea Party may well have risen through the Democrats. I think there was and is a large measure of expediency with the group.

OWS would seem to naturally align with Democrats, however Dr Paul is making inroads there as his message of sound money begins to resonate there.

The Liberty Movement, Occupy Wall Street & the Tea Party all seem to want to avoid a third Party. They align where they have the best chance to win.

IMO if whomever is the current darling of the Tea Party Movement(Gingrich, Santorum?) were to suddenly announce that he's switching registration and is now a Democrat most of the Tea Party would follow right along behind him.

The three groups I mentioned are issue not party driven.

 

[delldude]

The Big Government Republicans, (think Santorum, Romney and Gingrich) loathe the Tea Party and frankly want nothing to do with them except for their votes.

Anyone who thinks Tea Party equals Republican clearly isn't paying attention.

Scratch the surface of a traditional Republican and they will blame the Tea Party for failing to capture the Senate in 2010. O'Donnell in DE and Engle in NV have become the poster children of the Anti Tea Party sentiments of old line Republicans. There are numerous articles on this subject some are reportage and others Op-Ed pieces. They can be found with a quick search on line. I've read about ten so far and there are a whole lot more.

What you're calling big Gov Rep's could actually be filtered down even more. What you've pointed out are Moderate and old school Rep's which have taken the direction of the GOP from fiscal conservatism to a form of social facism. GOP high command wants nothing to do with con's but if you noticed during the GOP primary, when they run on a Con platform, those are the ones pulling the vote. That's what the indies vote is about, Conservatism.
So America is telling GOP they want a con candidate but GOP are mod/ruling class and want no part of it. Hence the divide and loathing of Tea Party principles.
On the other side, DNC has been taken over by socialist democrats who are driving their party to the left towards marxism and communism. Notice Pelosi wants the party ridden of moderate dems? They're too far towards the center for the party.
What constitutues the GOP and are called moderates are actually what used to be called dems.
Both parties have lost their principles and need grassroots change.

 

[tech2101]

You are right. Obama is too moderate/center for most of the hard core Democrats. That is why he pulled the independent vote in 2008 and why he fears Romney the most. The center is where national Presidential elections are won.

 

[SparrowHawk]

You are right. Obama is too moderate/center for most of the hard core Democrats. That is why he pulled the independent vote in 2008 and why he fears Romney the most. The center is where national Presidential elections are won.

That has been the conventional wisdom. Whether it is current wisdom or not remains to be seen.

I say the above because frankly did anyone see Occupy Wall Street coming into view as a potential political force? Same story for my guy Ron Paul. Did anyone really think he'd be consistently in the teens and higher in the polls? My goal this year was to see him get 10%. Needless to say he has a actual chance of winning. Granted a slim chance but a chance that even I'm surprised at and I've been a fan of his since 1988.

This time around seems different.

 

[delldude]

You are right. Obama is too moderate/center for most of the hard core Democrats. That is why he pulled the independent vote in 2008 and why he fears Romney the most. The center is where national Presidential elections are won.

Sure, the most liberal voting record in Senate and he's moderate center guy. Why you think Rahm and a few others left....because of his die hard ideology.
If you think he's center left you bought into the charade as you always do.
He pulled the indie vote because GOP ran a moderate.
End of story.

Sparrowhawk said:
I say the above because frankly did anyone see Occupy Wall Street coming into view as a potential political force?

OWS is Obama/Progressive true base.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Barack Obama's political leanings seem to me to be based on who's writing the biggest check at the time. If he thought he could have a better chance of getting reelected by running to the right of Rick Santorum he would.

 

[tech2101]

He pulled the indie vote because GOP ran a moderate.

That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[delldude]

That makes no sense whatsoever.

Why is their worry about Romney driving away the indies?

 

[777 fixer]

It'd been shown on EVERY major news outlet for FOX to CNN, Rachel Maddow was actually where I heard it first. I verified this through a web site call "Opensecrets.org" go look it up, you're a bright guy, find it like I did. I don't do research for others.

No it has not. I want you to show everyone where as you put the overwhelming number of active military donate to Ron Paul You have not done so all you have done is claim it has been verfied without showing any actual facts. When you get those facts I want you to use real math, not Paulbot math, to figure out how much it comes out to per service member.

 

[777 fixer]

Yes, sadly IMO they are in many ways. They bought the War mongering BS not because they're stupid, rather because they are bombarded with a Geo-Political view that accepts the notion that everything from the price of oil to how many times Merkel picks her nose is a "Vital Us Interest" when in fact the only vital interest served is to feed the Military Industrial Complex. Thanks to Bush we now have "preemptive wars" a position last adopted by a large European Country run by a guy with a rather peculiar mustache in the late 1930's through mid 1940's. So where are all those fundamentalists? Why no righteous indignation that we as a nation have moved away from the Christian concept of "just wars"? Where they are is busy hating Islam and often with some justification. The last two piss ants serving as POTUS don't deserve the Military's loyalty or respect.

Those who have awakened are the ones who support Dr. Paul. It's a horrible thing to balance your desire to serve your country with a conscience that knows deep down that what you're doing serves nearly everyone but the average Joe and Jane who respect and honor you. I predict that one day we will welcome the Men & Women of the 1st Armored Division as the French did. These brave souls will ultimately be forced to choose to serve their corrupt leaders or the citizens and there is no doubt in my mind who they will defend.

Include you father, uncle and your god Ron Paul to that list of dupes. Let me say one thing before you go off on some self serving rant. Who are you to say if someone is a "dupe"? Becasue YOU the great and all knowing Sparrowhawk decides he did not approve of something therefore anyone associated with it is a dupe? In another post you accuse another poster of being arrogant. Well my freind you fit the definition perfectly.

 

[Ms Tree]

That has been the conventional wisdom. Whether it is current wisdom or not remains to be seen.

I say the above because frankly did anyone see Occupy Wall Street coming into view as a potential political force? Same story for my guy Ron Paul. Did anyone really think he'd be consistently in the teens and higher in the polls? My goal this year was to see him get 10%. Needless to say he has a actual chance of winning. Granted a slim chance but a chance that even I'm surprised at and I've been a fan of his since 1988.

This time around seems different.

When you look at it realistically he did not poll higher than single digits and no he does not have any better chance of winning the WH than you or I. The only reason he did as 'well' as he did was due to the people he was running against/with. Had truly viable intelligent candidates run for office Paul would have polled/won what he normally does which is just above nothing. The fact that he cannot beat a 2 time cheating, kicked out by his own party former Speaker and a right wing religious fruit cake is pretty sad in my opinion.

The electin results only roved that some f the electorate found Paul less unpalatable than the other three who were running.

 

[delldude]

 

[SparrowHawk]

No it has not. I want you to show everyone where as you put the overwhelming number of active military donate to Ron Paul You have not done so all you have done is claim it has been verfied without showing any actual facts. When you get those facts I want you to use real math, not Paulbot math, to figure out how much it comes out to per service member.

Actually it has. I found 15 video's in under a minute, verified the figures through www.opensecrets.org and if I can find them so can you. Time to get busy.

As to how much it comes out to per service member the answer is simple. If he raises more money from the Military then all other candidates combined then his number is higher then the others and that is the point.

I may be a Paulbot but at least I support someone with integrity.

 

[Dog Wonder]

I may be a Paulbot but at least I support someone with integrity.

If so, you could learn something from him.

 

[delldude]

If so, you could learn something from him.

So you admit the man has integrity.