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Occupy Wall Street

DO you oppose using your TWU dues for Occupy Wall Street?

  • Yes

    Votes: 18 52.9%
  • No

    Votes: 16 47.1%

  • Total voters
    34
Can someone please give me a compelling reason why taxpayers around the world are expected to bailout banks....i.e. publically traded entities, because these banks made bad investment decisions like buying municipal and gov't bonds??
 
Can someone please give me a compelling reason why taxpayers around the world are expected to bailout banks....i.e. publically traded entities, because these banks made bad investment decisions like buying municipal and gov't bonds??
I cannot directly answer your question, but if you watch the movie "To Big To Fail" it is all about the banking issues.
 
This is priceless. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/occupy-wall-st-kitchen-reportedly-set-to-cut-back-meals-because-of-freeloaders/
 
silence from all the repubic experts on this forum is priceless!
You may have something there brother. The Republicans are quiet. It would seem that it is the Democrats who attempting to use a cause that was not originated by them to further their political game. Yes the Republicans play games also. However as the topic is about the use of your dues money from your respective union to march with the OWS for whatever cause, without the permission of the membership. Some feel that it is okay and others not. The poll is split. There are some members that would support this issue if the union would just ask the members for the use of their dues for that particular affiliation. There some that won't. Under a closed shop enviroment members are not free to choose when and or how their dues are used. The union just does as it pleases.
 
Whenever someone argues in favor of government regulation of speech because of who the speaker is, I have to ask: What are they afraid of?

The first amendment, as the majority correctly held, protects all speech, not just the speech of individuals (or natural persons).

I don't understand your focus on the tax status of the speaker. The corporation at issue in the case, Citizens United, was a nonprofit corporation and thus pays no tax. More than one-third of the taxpayers in the USA paid no federal income tax last year. Making distinctions between different speakers on the basis of how much tax they pay makes no sense to me. Sole proprietorships (owned by natural persons) pay tax only on their net earnings from the business. All natural person taxpayers have numerous deductions and exemptions and credits - nobody is forced to pay federal tax on their gross earnings - only their taxable income after application of all deductions, exemptions and credits.

Ok, so you favor regulating the speech of corporations but not individuals. How about the speech of a partnership? What if the partnership is made up of just two natural persons? What if it's a partnership of hundreds of natural persons. How about the speech of a limited liability company (LLC)?

Predictably, Democrats favor regulating speech of some while allowing others to speak freely. When your ideas are losers and can't compete in a free marketplace of ideas, you want to regulate the speech of those with whom you disagree. Today the boogieman is the speech of corporations. Whose speech will you want to regulate/censor tomorrow?

I don't have much respect for (or use for) those who are so afraid of the first amendment. In my view, they're down there with people who disrupt speakers and attempt to shout them down, like the muslim students who disrupted the speech by the Israeli diplomat at UC Irvine in Orange County.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/10/irvine-11-students-appeal-conviction-.html

If your ideas are winners, you have nothing to fear from Citizens United v FEC. Perhaps you realize that some of your ideas are losers and the speech of your adversaries will convince people that your ideas aren't the ideal choice?



Since the Court never addressed the question (whether corporations were natural persons under the 14th amendment) in its written opinion, the headnote written by the former RR president (that is ironic) is completely irrelevant. As in "has no legal significance or meaning." Parties to legal disputes have been known to ignore potential rationales for a victory in their favor, and courts rarely decide a case on an issue not raised by either side. That's the case in the RR case. Neither side argued the corporate personhood issue - so the court didn't rule on it.

I assume you've not graduated from law school, Bob. You do see the irony here, don't you? You expounding on the legal significance of material not included in the Supreme Court's opinion is as funny as me (a graduate of law school) expounding on the meaning of some technical language in an airplane maintenance manual - something I don't do. You, on the other hand . . .

Ed Norton, Attorney at Sea for the defense ; thank you your honor, and may it please the court...
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/118/394
Associate Justice John harlan gave the opinion of the Court:
The special grounds of defense by each of the defendants were: (1) That its road is a part of a continuous postal and military route, constructed and maintained under the authority of the United States, by means in part obtained from the general government; that the company having, with the consent of the state, become subject to the requirements, conditions, and provisions of the acts of congress, it thereby ceased to be merely a state corporation, and became one of the agencies or instrumentalities employed by the general government to execute its constitutional powers; and that the franchise to operate a postal and military route, for the transportation of troops, munitions of war, public stores, and the mails, being derived from the United States, cannot, without their consent, be subjected to state taxation. (2) That the provisions of the constitution and laws of California, in respect to the assessment for taxation of the property of railway corporations operating railroads in more than one county, are in violation of the fourteenth amendment of the constitution, in so far as they require the assessment of their property at its full money value, without making deduction, as in the case of railroads operated in one county, and of other corporations, and of natural persons, for the value of the mortgages covering the property assessed; thus imposing upon the defendant unequal burdens, and to that extent denying to it the equal protection of the laws. (3) That what is known as section 3664 of the Political Code of California, under the authority of which, in part, the assessment was made, was not constitutionally enacted by the legislature, and had not the force of law. (4) That no void assessment appears in fact to have been made by the state board. (5) That no interest is recoverable in this action until after judgment. (6) That the assessment upon which the action is based is void, because it included property which the state board of equalization had no jurisdiction, under any circumstances, to assess; and that, as such illegal part was so blended with the balance that it cannot be separated, the entire assessment must be treated as a nullity..

It should'nt suprise anyone that the the Court has granted personhood to corporations. Next time someone complains about the police not protecting them, buy a gun instead. The Court ruled in 1989 that the state (ie police, social services, etc) is not there to protect the people, but to protect the business interests of the state (DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services)
 
Although the Occupy Wall Street movement has made tax the rich a central cause, the group is not shy about taking a tax break of its own. Donations to the group, now totaling more than half a million dollars, are tax exempt, the New York Post reported.

The group Alliance for Global Justice is sponsoring the protests, which allows the movement to share in its tax-exempt status. As a result, those donating to the Occupy Wall Street movement can deduct the amount from their federal taxes.

The Alliance is a Washington-based group that advocates a variety of causes including hunger strikes in California prisons and protesting the CIA and oil companies. In return for sponsoring Occupy Wall Street, the Alliance is taking a 7 percent cut of donations, according to the New York Post.
 
Although the Occupy Wall Street movement has made tax the rich a central cause, the group is not shy about taking a tax break of its own. Donations to the group, now totaling more than half a million dollars, are tax exempt, the New York Post reported.

The group Alliance for Global Justice is sponsoring the protests, which allows the movement to share in its tax-exempt status. As a result, those donating to the Occupy Wall Street movement can deduct the amount from their federal taxes.

The Alliance is a Washington-based group that advocates a variety of causes including hunger strikes in California prisons and protesting the CIA and oil companies. In return for sponsoring Occupy Wall Street, the Alliance is taking a 7 percent cut of donations, according to the New York Post.
there will always be groups or individuals that will find a way to benefit from protests, rebellions and strikes. I believe Jesse Jackson once walked the picket lines for the CTA bus drivers strike in Chicago.....as long as each striker donated $35 to Operation Push that is! Go figure!
 
there will always be groups or individuals that will find a way to benefit from protests, rebellions and strikes. I believe Jesse Jackson once walked the picket lines for the CTA bus drivers strike in Chicago.....as long as each striker donated $35 to Operation Push that is! Go figure!

It would seem that Jesse Jackson has been a little busy lately, I do not believe he has time to do much in the way of protesting.
 
This Occupy stuff is totally worthless. They have no unity, no agenda and no hope of inspiring any real change. Just a bunch of unemployed hippies camping in city parks. What a waste. Our dues should NOT be used to support this.
 
there will always be groups or individuals that will find a way to benefit from protests, rebellions and strikes. I believe Jesse Jackson once walked the picket lines for the CTA bus drivers strike in Chicago.....as long as each striker donated $35 to Operation Push that is! Go figure!

Sounds like the Chicago Way!
 
This Occupy stuff is totally worthless. They have no unity, no agenda and no hope of inspiring any real change. Just a bunch of unemployed hippies camping in city parks. What a waste. Our dues should NOT be used to support this.

At least they are doing SOMETHING, instead of sitting at their computer bitching about their pathetic life. How do you think all the world's revolutions started? Out of thin air? You obviously have been listening to mainstream media's version of what is happening. Why don't you get off your a$# and see for yourself.
 
What occupy movement needs is funding and some leadership. I haven't witnessed any political learders coming to the forefront and supporting this movement. These are real people.....middle class people and while I believe they have the right ideas to punish greedy wall street fat cats, they obviously don't have any political support. On the other hand, the Tea party movement was backed and funded by republican lobbying groups...Dick Army was a spokesman for the Tea party. They kept the republicans accountable.....remember the debt crisis. Although the unions are side by side with this movement, it's all for show. The bark is bigger than the bite. Where's the Dems?? Obviously not with the occupiers. Remember that at the ballot box.
 
At least they are doing SOMETHING, instead of sitting at their computer bitching about their pathetic life. How do you think all the world's revolutions started? Out of thin air? You obviously have been listening to mainstream media's version of what is happening. Why don't you get off your a$# and see for yourself.
The original post was about the use of union dues for the Occupy Wall Street. There are a lot of people that are just doing nothing, while there are a few who are laying out coherent positions. I may not agree with their main way of attacking the problem I believe that this young man has the right idea.

CaptnMidnite
 

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