OCT/NOV 2012 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[Kev3188]

According to the "final offer" recently ratified, they'll be in 17 stations (assuming those cities don't fall below the contractual departure threshold):

ATL/AUS/BOS/DCA/DFW/JFK/LAS/LAX/LGA/MCO/MIA/ORD/SAT/SFO/SJU/STL/TPA

High level overview of the contract changes (and link to full text) here:

http://www.twubkfact...leetService.pdf

 

[cltrat]

First, let me say I'm a 55 yr. old white male voting for Obama/Biden . Second , to ALL my "W.O.R.M" IAM Brothers GET OVER IT ! Willard Romney and Paul Ryan HATE! YOU ! and UNIONS . White Old Racist Men voting against their own best interests defies all logic ! Third, does any one on this forum no what AMR /TWU stations will still have F/S workers after January 2013 ? Contracts and hire date for ALL in 2013.

I.m glad you got your question answered however I could care less who you voted for and don't come here flipping the race card on the table considering my local sent me a newsletter with an anti Romney ad calling him the "white man for the job"

I guess racism is a one way street for the union

 

[psa8979]

Thanks for the reply Kev3188 and I have read the TWU CBA Final Offer Scope Article. My question is. Does any one no how many stations will not be contracted out after 2012 not included in the Scope language of the Final TWU/AMR CBA ?

 

[ograc]

Was this moving thru the freight house? Whenever I see money moving thru here it usually goes from the beltloader right to the armored car with the airport police watching...

LD3,
You are correct this money shipment, like all others, is not moved through the cargo facilities. It is brought directly to planeside at origin with amored car and airport police. The same is true when the shipment is transferred in a connecting city. The shipment is, however, ALWAYS PRE-BOOKED with the US Cargo Booking Center. This center is the one responsible for booking the itinerary of the shipment. PHL has a history of theft and pilferaging of shipments. Why the booking center continues to book high value shipments into PHL is beyond me.
ograc

 

[ograc]

Thanks for the reply Kev3188 and I have read the TWU CBA Final Offer Scope Article. My question is. Does any one no how many stations will not be contracted out after 2012 not included in the Scope language of the Final TWU/AMR CBA ?

Not sure how many existing current union represented stations at AA will be contracted out. One issue members at US must consider is if, in the event of a merger and the TWU wins representation rights to the combined Fleet Service, we will fall within the scope of the Final TWU/AMR CBA. At last count I believe the IAM represents US Fleet in approximately 43 stations. The math is very disturbing.

 

[freedom]

Not sure how many existing current union represented stations at AA will be contracted out. One issue members at US must consider is if, in the event of a merger and the TWU wins representation rights to the combined Fleet Service, we will fall within the scope of the Final TWU/AMR CBA. At last count I believe the IAM represents US Fleet in approximately 43 stations. The math is very disturbing.

correct me if i'm wrong , but won't we fall under TWU only after a TA has taken place ?

i'm growing less and less sure about the IAM by the day ... someone told me that the AGC's make 125k a year and that there are 23 of them ... that's more than 2.3 million we are spending in our union dues if true ....

and as for the pension , don't even get me started on that rag .... they PROMISED that our pension would never decrease , but that promise didn't last long ... and they don't EVER tell you what assets are in the pension plan , they just use some dumb color code to indicate it's health ... i'll take a 401k over the IAM pension anyday , at least that way i KNOW what i''m invested in and i won't end up like CALPERS underfunded .

 

[psa8979]

USAirways IAM F/S would continue to work under the IAM contract. If there was an election and the TWU was certified by the NMB. We would be fenced until Seniority Integration and a transition CBA. Article 2 - Status of Agreement of the IAM F/S Contract of May 8, 2008 or IAM F/S Contract currently in Section 6 negotiations. GO ! IAM . Contract and Hire Date for ALL !

 

[ograc]

USAirways IAM F/S would continue to work under the IAM contract. If there was an election and the TWU was certified by the NMB. We would be fenced until Seniority Integration and a transition CBA. Article 2 - Status of Agreement of the IAM F/S Contract of May 8, 2008 or IAM F/S Contract currently in Section 6 negotiations. GO ! IAM . Contract and Hire Date for ALL !

Being a US IAM represented emplotee I'm very skeptical of a TA and seniority integration negotiated by the TWU. I do not believe the seniority integration would benefit former US employees. Look at the results of the seniority integration, negotiated by the TWU, at both the Air Tran/WN ramp and the AA/TWA acquisitions. I'm very skeptical that a TA would bring back work in any other stations than the formerly agreed to 17. Former US would go from approximately 43 represented stations to 17. I see lots of jobs lost and subcontracting in our future if the TWU remains the bargaining union. I think Doug sees it as well. Some of the "synergies" gained by merging the two carriers. Gains for the shareholders... job loss for the employees.
ograc

 

[Kev3188]

Under Orgac's scenario, I think you might see PHL, PHX, & CLT added to the list of 17, but that'd likely be it...

As for integration, anything less than DOH for the master list should be considered DOA...

 

[robbedagain]

just a recent blunder of the phl airport police remember the suv that went right onto the runway and forced a usairways or usairways express jetliner to abort landing or something happened earlier this yr.

 

[ograc]

Under Orgac's scenario, I think you might see PHL, PHX, & CLT added to the list of 17, but that'd likely be it...

As for integration, anything less than DOH for the master list should be considered DOA...

If the TWU is the bargaining representative... DOH for the master list will not be recognized. DOH is solely recognized as the rightful seniority integration by the IAM. Historically, the TWU does not recognize DOH when integrating seniority lists. Additionally, PHL and CLT may be added to the list of 17. IMO... I'm not too sure about PHX.
ograc

 

[freedom]

well then , that's pretty imporant .... i tend to think of DOH as being the most fairest way to do things ..

 

[pjirish317]

If the TWU is the bargaining representative... DOH for the master list will not be recognized. DOH is solely recognized as the rightful seniority integration by the IAM. Historically, the TWU does not recognize DOH when integrating seniority lists. Additionally, PHL and CLT may be added to the list of 17. IMO... I'm not too sure about PHX.
ograc

ograc,

Please explain then why we have a "Classification Date" instead of our true D.O.H.? We did not merge Fleet Service seniority lists by D.O.H. correct?

 

[ograc]

ograc,

Please explain then why we have a "Classification Date" instead of our true D.O.H.? We did not merge Fleet Service seniority lists by D.O.H. correct?

If I'm not mistaking classification dates were established in order to reflect seniority accrual as a part time agent. Most of us were hired on as part time agents, therefore, an adjusted classification date was established when upgraded to full time. You did not accrue full time seniority as a part time agent. These two different dates (classification & DOH) were established years ago. Additionally, classification seniority reflects the time you have worked in the Fleet Service classification. You do not accrue classification seniority if you choose to work Customer Service or take a management position and then decide to return to the Fleet Service classification. I believe Fleet Service seniority lists were integrated by classification seniority. They were certainly not integrated by giving advantage to the employees of the acquiring airline... which seems to be the TWU's idea of "fair" seniority integration.

 

[Kev3188]

Please explain then why we have a "Classification Date" instead of our true D.O.H.?

Do you not have both? DOH for travel, vacation/sick/OJI accrual, service credit, etc. & Classification for shift & vacation bidding?