OCT/NOV 2012 US Pilots Labor Discussion

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luvthe9

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  1. Life after Loss: A Practical Guide to Renewing Your Life after Experiencing Major Loss .....Suggested October reading for our west friends... hope it helps you children!!!!
 
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Claxon

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Hey moron. Can you afford this on LOA93?

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Nothing has changed.

NIC IS IT.

Nothing has changed? If you are referring to your and noNic4s denial, you might be correct. Silver has green lighted the company to move on. Leonidas and their infantile damage threats are inconsequential. When Parker wants to make his move, or AMR it will be over.
 
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Nothing has changed? If you are referring to your and noNic4s denial, you might be correct. Silver has green lighted the company to move on. Leonidas and their infantile damage threats are inconsequential. When Parker wants to make his move, or AMR it will be over.

No she hasn't boo, not even close.

Have someone read you the transcripts.
 
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Today, attorneys for the West Class filed a motion before Judge Silver to add language to her pending order in the Company’s Declaratory Action case. The West attorneys mostly agree with the proposed findings of law. This may come as a surprise to those who have only read USAPA's updates. Your surprise is probably justified given what has been reported by the union, because we believe it has been grossly inaccurate so far. We cannot publish the text from the “proposed order” at this time, but we can say the proposed order tracks closely to the line of questions and many of the statements made by Judge Silver at oral arguments on Tuesday. If you have not read the transcript from Tuesday’s hearing, we implore every US Airways pilot to do so. You may download the transcript here.

Since Judge Silver invited input from the parties concerning her proposed order, the West attorneys have filed a “Motion to Add Language to Order” which you can download here. We have two requests: (1) that she speak with the same level of clarity, but with greater detail; and (2), that if she chooses to dismiss the present action, that she do so conditionally and retain jurisdiction.

As to the first point, although the language in the proposed order is clear and our attorneys largely agree with the legal conclusions of the Court, (save for her belief that she does not have jurisdiction because of the Ninth’s opinion in Addington), we know from past experience in dealing with USAPA that clarity – standing alone – is not enough. There are two obvious legal inferences that can be drawn from the proposed order, and we are requesting that Judge Silver delineate inferences in black and white, unequivocal language because much of what she says will be (and already has been) inevitably misconstrued and mischaracterized by USAPA. Evidence of USAPA’s inability to perceive and/or correctly communicate was predictably and immediately available, and we submitted an affidavit by Capt. Roger Velez along with the Motion to encourage Judge Silver to amplify the core holdings of her ruling. You can download the affidavit here. Capt. Velez, along with the rest of the BPR, Officers, and multiple committees received an email from Capt. Gary Hummel about 90 minutes after the conclusion of the oral arguments. The email is only four sentences long, yet Capt. Hummel was still able to concisely convey a gross mischaracterization of the proposed order. This has resulted in a completely unwarranted celebration on the part of the dishonest East pilots leading USAPA who have made it their life's mission to elevate their personal gain over what is clearly the best course of action for all US Airways pilots, which is to accept the Nicolau and just move on. The half-life of this festival of gloat will be relatively short as any objective observer who sat through the oral arguments understood that all Judge Silver did was to reluctantly dismiss the Company’s Declaratory Action for ripeness, even though she clearly stated on the record that she believed the Ninth Circuit got it wrong with respect to the Addington lawsuit (see pg., 20, lines 13:18, oral arguments transcripts). As a consolation, she unambiguously shored-up many of the outstanding legal questions in highly beneficial fashion to the West. And, while we would greatly prefer she clarify her ruling somewhat to quash USAPA's false hopes, our rights are not remotely diminished even if the order issues as first proposed. Other than a few out-of-context sound bites for abuse by USAPA, there certainly is no “victory” for those wishing to avoid the Nicolau Award. All Judge Silver is saying is that because of the Ninth Circuit’s decision in Addington, she cannot prevent USAPA from proffering a non-Nicolau seniority list; and if the Company is concerned about accepting a non-Nicolau list, then they should heed the cautious advice of their attorneys and proceed accordingly because it is expected Judge Silver will not, in any way, absolve the company of potential liability to the West pilots.

The second point asks Judge Silver (if, in fact she proceeds to dismiss the Company’s Declaratory Action on ripeness grounds), that she does so conditionally. This will facilitate a quicker processing of the inevitable DFR lawsuit from the West against both USAPA (or its successor) and US Airways (or its successor) should the Company accept a non-Nicolau seniority list.

In closing, it was great to see so many West pilots at the oral arguments on Tuesday. What you witnessed was only made possible because of your financial support. Like Judge Silver and the Company, we were hoping to put the seniority matter to rest in this Declaratory Action but it appears that we must fight on. Your presence in the courtroom, and your continued contributions prove the West is still here, and we are not going away.
 
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More slanted Leonidas trash. Hummels' statement perfectly summarized it.
Nobody is concerned with your imagined harm. The rest of the airline merged DOH, and this final list will follow the accepted model in the merger. There will be no outliers such as your scheme.
Leonidas continues to follow Harper into the abyss. He needs to do the right thing, and tell you the truth. You are finished.
 
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More slanted Leonidas trash. Hummels' statement perfectly summarized it.
Nobody is concerned with your imagined harm. The rest of the airline merged DOH, and this final list will follow the accepted model in the merger. There will be no outliers such as your scheme.
Leonidas continues to follow Harper into the abyss. He needs to do the right thing, and tell you the truth. You are finished.

Give it a rest Clax. No one listens to you. Even your own pilots think you're an idiot.
 
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