OCT/NOV 2012 IAM Fleet Service Discussions

[roabilly]

Not sure who Black Magic is... he wouldn't be the same person who recently ran for President of District 141 and is now advocating filing for "Dues Objector" status would he?

Hmmmm... if I were bettin' man....

YUP!

 

[ChockJockey]

Hmmmm... if I were bettin' man....

YUP!

Really? You think that person was shrewd enough to know five years ago he'd need an alternate account in order to start a dues objection conspiracy in 2012, and post 390 messages in the mean time just to throw everyone off? It's possible he's just a part time ramp agent in PHX that wants to stop paying dues for the exact reason he said. Nowhere did he advocate that other people should do what he is doing, but if it gives you the warm fuzzies to see boogiemen and conspiracies behind every post you don't like then that's your business...

And before you accuse he and I of being the same person, or me and anyone else, let me just say that 1.) I myself am not a dues objector and 2.) I voted for a different Presidential candidate than did he. I mean, after the Collapse of 2008™ I'd want to put in a banker in the White House?

Yeah...nah.

 

[roabilly]

CJ... did... I hit a nerve?

P.S. 5 years is approximately how long I have followed this forum... posting for four... you learn a lot over that much time! In addition, the person in question has had more than one account since then... more like 5 or 6!

 

[roabilly]

There's an old sayin' down here in the south... "A pig won't squeal... til it's been stuck"!

 

[ChockJockey]

CJ... did... I hit a nerve?

Nope, just bored.

There's an old sayin' down here in the south... "A pig won't squeal... til it's been stuck"!

I wouldn't know, I've actually never seen Deliverance.

 

[Jester]

Really? You think that person was shrewd enough to know five years ago he'd need an alternate account in order to start a dues objection conspiracy in 2012, and post 390 messages in the mean time just to throw everyone off?

Yes, of course, and I am Tim Nelson too, even though I campaigned against "myself" 4 years ago, and I now disagree with Black Magic's decision become a dues paying objector. I am everywhere and everyone, you know?

Someday, I'll need to figure who is really who at PHX from Black Magic, Freedom, you and even me!

 

[freedom]

Yes, of course, and I am Tim Nelson too, even though I campaigned against "myself" 4 years ago, and I now disagree with Black Magic's decision become a dues paying objector. I am everywhere and everyone, you know?

Someday, I'll need to figure who is really who at PHX from Black Magic, Freedom, you and even me!

Hey i thought we were all the same person ! LOL

 

[ChockJockey]

Hey i thought we were all the same person ! LOL

What if...what if all reality as we know it is just the dream of a sleeping Tim Nelson?

:blink: :blink: :blink:

 

[ograc]

What if...what if all reality as we know it is just the dream of a sleeping Tim Nelson?

:blink: :blink: :blink:

Wow! Now I'm really getting confused. Pass the joint please. In the end though... filing for dues objector status and creating dissention is not the answer. We need to find common ground. IMO... there is plenty of it out there. Let's focus on that for a change.

 

[roabilly]

Those who voluntarily come forward to profess innocence to something that they were never accused of certainly cast doubt upon themselves! Did anyone see 700, Ograc, Mike33, Charlie Brown, or any of the other credible posters that never “stir the pot” clamor over each other to post proclamations of innocence to my assertion in this forum?

As I said, the use of anonymity, and multiple accounts is no secret, it has been an ongoing theme for over 5 years… the common thread is always the same… discredit the IAM… and make it appear as if you have lots of support!

P.S. CJ… in Deliverance it was the pig that did the stickin’!

 

[roabilly]

Gladly. Under the Railway Labor Act labor organizations have a fiduciary,legal obligation and Duty to Fairly Represent all members within their organization regardless of their dues status. Dues Objectors are entitled to the provisions afforded under the acronym of DFR. The practice of the IAM MNPL distributing political educational material to it's members does not constitute a failure in the union's Duty to Fairly Represent. Again, the MNPL is supported by "voluntary" contributions by the membership and not membership dues monies. It seems to me Black Magic is crying foul after losing a second election.
ograc

Cargo,

Good job with DFR… some the posters I alluded to in my previous post have attempted to paint a portrait of IAM Officers and Shop Stewards refusing to represent, as well as being biased.

This is far from the truth… every Steward is trained on DFR, and knows the legal ramifications of violating the code! If these posters want to make these claims they need to give us names, times, and locations… not general bullshit with NO merit!

The fact of the matter is this… they won’t even tell us who they are… much less the details of what supposedly happened!

 

[roabilly]

Cargo,

Consider this when you attempt to mentor in this forum. There are approximately 6 to 8 of us that actually know each other. There are another 6 to 8 that we have no idea who they are. These same “unknown” posters have been repeatedly approached to verify their member identities. Not a singe on of them has ever done so over the last 5 years!

I’ll assure you… they want to remain anonymous for a reason!

And just coincidentally, (wink-wink) these same unknowns are all pretty much malcontents ranging from anti-IAM… to anti-union.. to the recent dues objectors. They have a long history of repeatedly attempting to disrupt this thread, and cast doubt on the integrity of the IAM and/or the other credible posters. Further, they generally claim to be in PHX, or some obscure station that we are not familiar with.

It’s all simple math…

 

[ograc]

Cargo,

Consider this when you attempt to mentor in this forum. There are approximately 6 to 8 of us that actually know each other. There are another 6 to 8 that we have no idea who they are. These same “unknown” posters have been repeatedly approached to verify their member identities. Not a singe on of them has ever done so over the last 5 years!

I’ll assure you… they want to remain anonymous for a reason!

And just coincidentally, (wink-wink) these same unknowns are all pretty much malcontents ranging from anti-IAM… to anti-union.. to the recent dues objectors. They have a long history of repeatedly attempting to disrupt this thread, and cast doubt on the integrity of the IAM and/or the other credible posters. Further, they generally claim to be in PHX, or some obscure station that we are not familiar with.

It’s all simple math…

Roabilly,
Duly noted. Unfortunately, these anti-union unknowns have historically mislead too many members into making terrible decisions. Terrible decisions that have adversly affected my, yours and many members' careers at US. By mentoring and monitoring this forum I hope to see to it "we don't get fooled again". It's encouraging to know I'm not alone in this quest. Thank you for your insight, guidance and support.
ograc

 

[ograc]

Wrong again, I am not a anti IAM union worker I am however not allowing my dues to support political anything by the IAM since they were backers of the Obama campaign. As a Beck objector you still pay your dues for representative purposes only, the lobbying, campaigns, and poilitical portion of you dues will be refunded back to you, it's $17.35 currently.The IAM by law will still have to represent your grievance case(s) as an objector. Your local leadership will say "well we won't work as hard on your case, it will be put at the bottom of the stack, ect" as a scare tactic. That's bogus, the NLRB pays special extreme attention to cases where a dues objector is involved and there is no shortage of pro bono lawyers that will back you up if you feel you case is being improperly handled.

Now opinions aside and back to the original simple question at hand. I found the address to send my letter to:

General Secretary-Treasure of the IAM
9000 Machinists Place
Upper Marlboro, MD 20772-2687

The letter has to be postmarked from Nov. 1 thru Nov. 30 aswell. For other people out there that feel the same way and (I know there is quite a few in my station) you can go to Unionrefund.org for more info. and to get your letter generated.

For the peanut gallery that will be along shortly to slam all this. Don't bother replying to this message[background=rgb(250, 250, 250)], I'm not coming back in here to see what meaningless arguments you've thought up.[/background]

Black Magic,
Your post is obviously opinionated and not 100% factual. The National Labor Relations Board does not oversee, or have jurisdiction over unions within the airline industry. Although the IAM did in fact endorse the Obama re election campaign the educational material distributed had the sole intent to educate the membership on issues pertaining to the choice between the candidates based on facts. As I have stated in previous posts, members' dues monies do not fund the political arm of the IAM. The MNPL (Machinists Non-Partisan Political League), which is responsible for the distribution of political education materials and lobbying for members' interests on Capital Hill, is funded soley by voluntary membership contributions. Members dues monies do not fund the MNPL. Members dues monies are divided between the Grand Lodge, the District and the Local. When you file for "Dues Objector" status you are refunded the portion of your dues money that would go to your local. Thats It! When you speak of dues money being divided between representative, lobbying, campaigns and political portions this is simply not the case. Your disdainful opinion on the results of the election is evident. Your post is factually incorrect on a number of issues and potentially misleading to the members. For the sake of the betterment of the membership please cease and desist these misleading and meritless posts.
ograc

 

[roabilly]

My to advice to Black Magic is to simply seek employment in a non-union occupation, If he feels that strongly in his political beliefs!
Further, I'm sure there are a myriad of anti-labor companies he can slave for at low wages with no benefits... they would love to have him!