Oil

[sastal]

Thanks for your dissertation on the subject of oil?

Your pampas socially disconnected retort speaks volumes of the dysfunctional humanistic stance of our country.  Regardless of the facts that you are confronted with, you continually take the ‘Rush Limbaugh’ approach in ignorance of your surroundings.

Your ‘self impressive’ intelligence and questionably ‘subjective’ analysis speaks well of your position.

JMHO,
You are an arrogant, and ‘small’ self centered individual that lack compassion and human understanding.

You are the epitome of why some people hate pilots!!

JMHO,
UT

[post="262822"][/post]​

Couldn't have said it better myself. I DO deserve the same care as everyone else (including Bill Gates) because I am a human being, thank you very much. Ever heard of the term "social responsibility"? If your solution to the problem were so affordable, why are there so many ill people who struggle to make ends meet? I guess that's not your problem because they had the freedom and opportunity to become a pilot just like you. Have you ever thought, perhaps, that some people don't give a damn about flying planes?

 

[aafsc]

Clearly, you have your countries/continents mixed up. If any country in the world has the reputation for letting people die before surgery, it is definitely the United States. Anywhere you go in the world, you will find that the consensus among foreigners is that American medical facilities will ask for your credit or insurance card before they even touch you, and if you don't have it, then tough crap for you. I have walked numerous times in hospitals in the E.U. and received free care --no questions asked. I have no doubt in my mind that these places would operate me if the need arose. That is a sign of a country that puts life ahead of bucks. You can make your arguments about America the beautiful with regard to many things, but when it comes to managing care (I am not talking about research or medical technology), America does not compete with the best --sorry.

[post="263400"][/post]​

I agree. Especially with the part about the first thing they ask you about is whether or not you have insurance. That speaks volumes of the "moral values" of Bush and his clones.How many have died because the hospital refused to give medical to someone based on lack of insurance? Obviously some people think only those who can afford to have it get (like pilots and CEOs) while others like janitors, construction workers, AMTs who work in third party hack shops (which Borescope might find himself in one day), and those who work for contract ramp companies shouldn't get it because they have no insurance and can't afford it.

 

[aafsc]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I DO deserve the same care as everyone else because I am human, thank you very much.

[post="263408"][/post]​

According to the Busdrvrs, the Rush Limbaughs, and the George Bushes of the world you are less than human (or not as human as they are) because you don't make as much as or not as important as them. Remember Rush's drug problem? Well all the right wingers were saying that "he needs help" and that "we should pray for him" but when it comes to someone in the middle class or poor they say "F**K EM" or "throw em in jail; they broke the law". This is their mentality.

 

[Busdrvr]

I agree. Especially with the part about the first thing they ask you about is whether or not you have insurance. That speaks volumes of the "moral values" of Bush and his clones.How many have died because the hospital refused to give medical to someone based on lack of insurance? Obviously some people think only those who can afford to have it get (like pilots and CEOs) while others like janitors, construction workers, AMTs who work in third party hack shops (which Borescope might find himself in one day), and those who work for contract ramp companies shouldn't get it because they have no insurance and can't afford it.

[post="263448"][/post]​

Ah another intellegent rant 🙄 .

IT IS ILLEGAL TO DENY EMERGENCY CARE TO SOMEONE WITHOUT INSURANCE. I'm willing to bet FAR more people have died awaiting bypass surgery in the U.K. (per capita) than in the U.S. Now that doesn't mean you can go hit up Dr Rey for an emergency boob job.

and again, EVERYONE IN THE U.S. CAN AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE. I Defy you to show me someone who can't. And don't bother giving me an example of someone who made a choice to NOT get insurance, then got sick and can't figure out why an insurance company won't pick them up.

 

[aafsc]

Ah another intellegent rant 🙄 .

IT IS ILLEGAL TO DENY EMERGENCY CARE TO SOMEONE WITHOUT INSURANCE. I'm willing to bet FAR more people have died awaiting bypass surgery in the U.K. (per capita) than in the U.S. Now that doesn't mean you can go hit up Dr Rey for an emergency boob job.

and again, EVERYONE IN THE U.S. CAN AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE. I Defy you to show me someone who can't. And don't bother giving me an example of someone who made a choice to NOT get insurance, then got sick and can't figure out why an insurance company won't pick them up.

[post="263486"][/post]​

It is also illegal to "cook the books" but the executives at Enron, WorldCom, etc. did it anyway. I thought that the SEC Acts of 1933 and 1934 were supposed to prevent that. People can be turned away for lack of insurance. All the hospital has to do is retain "dream team" attorneys who specialize in medicine so that they could convice a judge or jury that the patient did not necessarily die due to being turned away and forced to go to the county hospital 40 minutes away.

Everyone can't afford insurance. Example:

40hours a week(assuming full time MANY jobs are part time)x$10hr=$400-$100 in taxes( federal income tax,social security tax, and medicare tax. Lets assume that you don't live in New York. So no state,or city tax) So you have $300 per week take home x4 weeks in a month=$1,200 a month. In MIA, $600 will get you a small apartment in a shaky neighborhood. Of the remaining $600, you figure about $400 for food and supplies ($100 a week). With the remaining $200 you have to pay for utilities (electric, water, phone, gas) $150 if you are lucky. That leaves $50 in gas for you car to get back and forth to work. I have a small car and it cost me about $100 a month to get to and from work. This assumes that the car is paid for and does not take into account car insurance (mandatory in Fla.) As you can see all the money is spent on the basics and there nothing left for clothes or unforseen events (car breakdown etc). SO NO NOT EVERYONE CAN AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE. And in your example with the $10,000 deductible, even if this person in my hypethetical example could by this policy they would have to pay off the first $10,000 in bills in addition to paying the $200 a month premiums. Now I know you will say, "they will just have to get a second job". But what if they have to be at home when their kid gets out of school? After all, definately can't afford child care.


In regards to you last sentence I have a perfect example. My brother was seriously and permantly injured (paralyzed) due purely to the actions of someone else (this person quickly pulled a handgun from his waist and handled it carelessly by pointing it at my brother, it went off and the bullet went into my brother's spine.And no my brother was not doing anything illegal. He was a strait A student, never in trouble with the law, has a master's degree, and today works with computers) At the time of this tragedy, he had insurance which paid most (not all) of the bills. But NOW, NO ONE WILL COVER HIM BECAUSE OF HIS PREVIOUS CONDITION (BEING PARALYZED) AND IT IS TOTALLY THE FAULT OF SOMEONE ELSE. And he does NOT have insurance at his present job. I don't want nor I am I seeking sympathy from you, Borescope, or anyone else. I just told you this to show you that it is not as easy as you make it sound. Until you have experienced it first hand, you don't know sh*t.

 

[Fly]

Not worth the fight here, imho.

We are right and you are wrong! 😀 I have no intention of coughing up more money so some 'landscaper' can come to America, with his wife and 12 kids and rely on me to pay for his health care. I'm sure TROJANS are cheaper. I say, let's start a bill to supply condoms to all the uneducated! (nah, they'd probably blow them up and use them to decorate at the next kids first birthday party :down: )

(To AAFSC: that is a tragedy....and I'm very sorry to you and your family for this, truly. But most cases aren't like your brother's, most are abuse from people without. I'm sorry, but that's what I believe)

 

[aafsc]

Not worth the fight here, imho.

We are right and you are wrong! 😀 I have no intention of coughing up more money so some 'landscaper' can come to America, with his wife and 12 kids and rely on me to pay for his health care. I'm sure TROJANS are cheaper. I say, let's start a bill to supply condoms to all the uneducated! (nah, they'd probably blow them up and use them to decorate at the next kids first birthday party :down: )

(To AAFSC: that is a tragedy....and I'm very sorry to you and your family for this, truly. But most cases aren't like your brother's, most are abuse from people without. I'm sorry, but that's what I believe)

[post="263525"][/post]​

Fly, you are right there is a lot of abuse and I don't defend that. If Bush and the Republicans would stop giving the "wink and nod" to illegal immigration for the purposes of dirt cheap labor and enforce the law this would help lower costs. People South of the border are just as human as you and I and should get medical BUT let their country pay for it. Mexico has vast amounts of oil as well as other resources that could be used to provide care to their people. Unfortunately, most of the wealth in Mexico is in the hands of the few. In DFW, I worked with a guy from MEX at AA (here legally for years) and he told me about how bad the corruption is there. In MIA, there are people that fly into MIA from the carribean, Central and South America, go to Jackson Memorial to get treatment and then leave on a flight the same afternoon to go home without paying a dime! Again they are human and should get treatment. BUT in their own country or let their country pay for it. If I was in Europe or Canada on vacation and needed emergency care I would have no problem paying because I am not a citizen of that country and therefore paid no taxes to support that system. I realize there is a cost and don't believe in freeloading. There is abuse all around: people coming here illegally to get medical, abuse from HMOs and insurance companies with regards to paying physicians to deny tests/treatments while the CEOs make up to $95 million a year doing this, and abuse from Doctors. hospitals, and suppliers in terms of overcharging and billing for services never rendered. All these things drive costs up. The task is to eliminate these and the many other problems so that everyone has access but the cost is minimized.

 

[Busdrvr]

Everyone can't afford insurance. Example:

40hours a week(assuming full time MANY jobs are part time)x$10hr=$400-$100 in taxes( federal income tax,social security tax, and medicare tax. Lets assume that you don't live in New York. So no state,or city tax) So you have $300 per week take home x4 weeks in a month=$1,200 a month.

OK, who is this person? Or did you just make up a situation you think meets the parameters?


This assumes that the car is paid for and does not take into account car insurance (mandatory in Fla.) As you can see all the money is spent on the basics and there nothing left for clothes or unforseen events (car breakdown etc)

Whoa!!! CAR?! Now do they also have the right to own a car?

And in your example with the $10,000 deductible, even if this person in my hypethetical example could by this policy they would have to pay off the first $10,000 in bills in addition to paying the $200 a month premiums. Now I know you will say, "they will just have to get a second job". But what if they have to be at home when their kid gets out of school? After all, definately can't afford child care.

Kids? They have kids? Then they don't pay a dime in SS or Fed tax, so add that back in. And guess what, at that income THE KIDS GET FREE HEALTHCARE. (as well as free school breakfast and lunch). The parent, with the Bush taxbreak, can then get a much cheaper insuranace plan for just themselves. with a much lower deductable. But since you said "kids" (plural), where is the other parent? Opps, forgot, there is no responsibility in your world.

At the time of this tragedy, he had insurance which paid most (not all) of the bills. But NOW, NO ONE WILL COVER HIM BECAUSE OF HIS PREVIOUS CONDITION (BEING PARALYZED) AND IT IS TOTALLY THE FAULT OF SOMEONE ELSE

Then that happened a while ago. My understanding is that if youu currently are insured, your next employer MUST pick you up.

It is also illegal to "cook the books" but the executives at Enron, WorldCom, etc. did it anyway. I thought that the SEC Acts of 1933 and 1934 were supposed to prevent that. People can be turned away for lack of insurance. All the hospital has to do is retain "dream team" attorneys who specialize in medicine so that they could convice a judge or jury that the patient did not necessarily die due to being turned away and forced to go to the county hospital 40 minutes away.

And all the person has to do is hire the "dream team" ambulance chaser, and he's on easy street. The differance is that in the U.S. if a Dr. or hospital screws up your life, you have recourse, in The Great White Utopia (Canada), you have none. That's one of the ways to pay for socialized medicine. No big dollar lawsuits. So in Canada, the government can (and does) deny coverage, and youcan't even sue for damages. Good plan 🙄

 

[Busdrvr]

Couldn't have said it better myself. I DO deserve the same care as everyone else (including Bill Gates) because I am a human being, thank you very much. Ever heard of the term "social responsibility"? If your solution to the problem were so affordable, why are there so many ill people who struggle to make ends meet? I guess that's not your problem because they had the freedom and opportunity to become a pilot just like you. Have you ever thought, perhaps, that some people don't give a damn about flying planes?

[post="263408"][/post]​

First, you're doing a lot of ASSuming. Have you ever thought that I don't give a d@mn about flying planes? Do you think that that is possibly the point? If one thing ain't working as planned (flying planes), you pick yourself up, quit your frickin crying and you MOVE ON.

Second, sorry, no, you are NOT entitled or "deserve" the same care as Bill Gates. If Bill gates gets a tummy ache, he can afford to have a full staff attend to his every need and fix him the perfect foods to make it all better. If Bill doesn't like his nose, he can get the best to fix it. If he wants to drop the glasses, he can get the best lasic. If he has some rare disease, he can poor literally billions into the production of a special drug to make him (and only him) well, even if the drug would otherwise not have been made. you may think you deserve a certain minimum level of care, but you do not deserve the fruits of someone elses hard work, when you were too lazy yourself, just because you're a 'human being". Social responsibility would mean you get off your @ss and quit being a burden on the rest of us, thank you very much. Do you think there are ill people who struggle to make ends meet in the socialist countries?

 

[North by Northwest]

Busdrv:"extreme "leftist" and "hard right" positions." I think it is more like "extreme leftist" and " fanatical rigthwing extremists" JMOH... :mf_boff:

 

[North by Northwest]

"If Bush and the Republicans would stop giving the "wink and nod" to illegal immigration for the purposes of dirt cheap labor and enforce the law this would help lower costs. People South of the border are just as human as you and I and should get medical BUT let their country pay for it. Mexico has vast amounts of oil as well as other resources that could be used to provide care to their people." YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! What the hell good is "airport security" when you have MILLIONS coming across the boarder (illegally) EVERY YEAR! Heck, why not let ALL the crimminals of the world come here un-checked like Carter did with Cuba. Both parties are guilty of allowing this disastorous invasion. Dear God, I hope we wake up before it is too late.

 

[boxer]

Busdrv:"extreme "leftist" and "hard right" positions." I think it is more like "extreme leftist" and " fanatical rigthwing extremists" JMOH... :mf_boff:

[post="263682"][/post]​

How did GWBush fail to appoint Busdrv Secretary of Health and Human Services?java script:emoticon(':down:')




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[Busdrvr]

How did GWBush fail to appoint Busdrv Secretary of Health and Human Services?java script:emoticon(':down:')
:down:

[post="263685"][/post]​

turned it down, not enough pay..... 😀

 

[Busdrvr]

"If Bush and the Republicans would stop giving the "wink and nod" to illegal immigration for the purposes of dirt cheap labor and enforce the law this would help lower costs. People South of the border are just as human as you and I and should get medical BUT let their country pay for it. Mexico has vast amounts of oil as well as other resources that could be used to provide care to their people." YOU GOT THAT RIGHT! What the hell good is "airport security" when you have MILLIONS coming across the boarder (illegally) EVERY YEAR! Heck, why not let ALL the crimminals of the world come here un-checked like Carter did with Cuba. Both parties are guilty of allowing this disastorous invasion. Dear God, I hope we wake up before it is too late.

[post="263683"][/post]​

It pains me to agree to some point with you.....

Legal immigration: good
Illegal immigration: Bad

(especially when you live far enough from the border that you can't enjoy the cheap labor....) 😉

 

[aafsc]

Everyone can't afford insurance. Example:

40hours a week(assuming full time MANY jobs are part time)x$10hr=$400-$100 in taxes( federal income tax,social security tax, and medicare tax. Lets assume that you don't live in New York. So no state,or city tax) So you have $300 per week take home x4 weeks in a month=$1,200 a month.

OK, who is this person? Or did you just make up a situation you think meets the parameters?
This assumes that the car is paid for and does not take into account car insurance (mandatory in Fla.) As you can see all the money is spent on the basics and there nothing left for clothes or unforseen events (car breakdown etc)

Whoa!!! CAR?! Now do they also have the right to own a car?

And in your example with the $10,000 deductible, even if this person in my hypethetical example could by this policy they would have to pay off the first $10,000 in bills in addition to paying the $200 a month premiums. Now I know you will say, "they will just have to get a second job". But what if they have to be at home when their kid gets out of school? After all, definately can't afford child care.

Kids? They have kids? Then they don't pay a dime in SS or Fed tax, so add that back in. And guess what, at that income THE KIDS GET FREE HEALTHCARE. (as well as free school breakfast and lunch). The parent, with the Bush taxbreak, can then get a much cheaper insuranace plan for just themselves. with a much lower deductable. But since you said "kids" (plural), where is the other parent? Opps, forgot, there is no responsibility in your world.

At the time of this tragedy, he had insurance which paid most (not all) of the bills. But NOW, NO ONE WILL COVER HIM BECAUSE OF HIS PREVIOUS CONDITION (BEING PARALYZED) AND IT IS TOTALLY THE FAULT OF SOMEONE ELSE

Then that happened a while ago. My understanding is that if youu currently are insured, your next employer MUST pick you up.

It is also illegal to "cook the books" but the executives at Enron, WorldCom, etc. did it anyway. I thought that the SEC Acts of 1933 and 1934 were supposed to prevent that. People can be turned away for lack of insurance. All the hospital has to do is retain "dream team" attorneys who specialize in medicine so that they could convice a judge or jury that the patient did not necessarily die due to being turned away and forced to go to the county hospital 40 minutes away.

And all the person has to do is hire the "dream team" ambulance chaser, and he's on easy street. The differance is that in the U.S. if a Dr. or hospital screws up your life, you have recourse, in The Great White Utopia (Canada), you have none. That's one of the ways to pay for socialized medicine. No big dollar lawsuits. So in Canada, the government can (and does) deny coverage, and youcan't even sue for damages. Good plan 🙄

[post="263578"][/post]​

1. The example I used was based on my mother's hourly wage. But she only gets 38 hours a week. She has been at this company for 10 years so she has not always made $10 an hour. There are people there with 5 years so they are making about $7.50 an hour. I used a real world situation.

2. No one has a "right" to own a car but how would my mother get to work? We have no mass transit (thanks to people who think like you) that could get my mother to work. You right wing jerks are all the same.

3. Regarding kid or kids. I do believe in responsibility. It does not necessarily mean that a woman just sleeps around and has kids out of wedlock. Men die as husbands leaving people called widows. Bush with his Iraq war has made a lot of these. Because of your arrogant pompous nature, you assume EVERY single mother is one that just slept around and got pregnant. By the way, how may pilots screw around while on a trip?

4.Yes, what happened to my brother happened almost 2 decades ago. But also people ARE BORN with health problems. Health insurance companies cherry pick. They only want to insure people who will not cost them anything (healthy people) they will not write a policy for someone who has had health problems since birth (preexisitng conditions) because they know they will loose money from the start.

5.Well, look at Texas when Bush was governor and you will see his plans for the nation. In Texas he was pushing for a law where people can't sue for damages so a "dream team" ambulance chaser would be irrelevant. Texas passed a law preventing "frivolous lawsuits". What is the definition of frivolous? It can mean anything. Just look at the fact you can pay $300,000 for a brand new house in Texas and if it starts to fall apart the next day you CAN'T sue the developer. In effect, Bush in Texas has taken the right to go to court away from the people. This is a fact.