One of the Most Destructive Forces Against the AMT

[UAL_TECH]

Since we are on the topic of what AMFA can and/or cannot do,
let's discuss what the AFL/CIO :
(IAM/IBT/TWU/...et al) can, but WILL NOT do!!!

You can claim ‘inexperience’ for AMFA, but your organization
has had the ball for many years, and have decided that your
‘GLAD HANDING/PORK BARREL’ political influence
(collaboration/capitulation) makes you better than your membership.
{(IMHO) The main reason for the ‘ill will’ by the IAM hard liners
is that they initially began in earnest working to support their
peers, but their enthusiasm was lost in the mire of their own
‘personal’ ambitions, and the AFL/CIO (IAM/IBT/TWU/etc…) rhetoric.}

The AFL/CIO idiom relies on the theory that the best and brightest
will rise to the top (if you are accepted), and maintain this
theology in their oligarchy system of governance.
Maintaining this oligarchy is dependent on the lack of membership participation. Membership participation is dependent on MANY factors, Number One is ‘TRUST!!!.

When you loose ‘Number One’, you are hell-bent to justify anything else.

Why AMFA?

Read the AMFA Constitution and let’s discuss it.
Looking forward to your reply.

Take Care,
UAL_TECH

 

[_AMT_MCI]

Regardless of which union is intact where...they are only as strong as their floor...self serving ...lmao...

 

[RV4]

“Serve the membership or the membership will boot your ass outâ€￾.

Nuff said,

UAL Tech,

The TWU is not only propagating rhetoric while failing to serve the members, the TWU cannot even produce their own so-called fact sheets, they actually copy and paste the same rhetoric that has led to AFL-CIO/Industrial unions being ousted by the membership in favor of AMFA.

One would think that if the strategy failed at other airlines, then the TWU would opt for another. But NO! Just like clockwork, they repeat the same mistakes that lead to the destruction of our profession, and then their own removal from the property.

That's fine with me though, the sooner the TWU is removed the better!

 

[RV4]

Regardless of which union is intact where...they are only as strong as their floor...self serving ...lmao...

And the floor is only as strong as the Constitution and structure allows them to be.

 

[Checking it Out]

CIO"
Please go and educate yourself regarding representational elections. Those on furlough get to vote. Many technicians are in fact leaving the field because they se it for what it presently is, a dead end. Wage concessions, lay offs and maybe work for another five to ten years and hope that there is enough seniority to withstand the next down turn under repressive wage rules.
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If you had any smarts you would know that amfa does not keep track of the members it is the members responsibilty to inform the Local. Statistics have proven the more you lay off the less likely they will be able to vote! But don't worry at the rate amfa is allowing Layoffs at the Maintenance Bases they represent the base will not exist in a few short years!

Please explain why amfa 33 cashed in the 160,000 to 175,000 certificate that was ear marked for the members who they could not Find?

TWU SOLIDARITY!

 

[UAL_TECH]

RV4,

Unfortunately the tactics never change.
Instead of standing on their record, they continue to attempt
to discredit their opponent, spreading disinformation and 'personalized'
facts in order to deceive the reader. Their mode of operation is identical
to what was attempted at UAL.

They will also begin (begun?) increased intimidation of their membership
to make them 'tow the line'. Between their lies, and intimidation, they will
do a much better job at loosing their credibiliity and support than you or
I can do in exposing the facts.

JMHO

Take Care,
UAL Tech

 

[UAL_TECH]

CIO,

Here are some additional links you can put on your website.

http://home.si.rr.com/aircraftmaint1/DCP00436.JPG

http://www.free701.org/pages/17/index.htm

UT

 

[Checking it Out]

Who’s Kidding Who?

AMFA National recently announced that they will conduct another raid at United Airlines. This is not welcome news to me as a member of AMFA at Northwest Airlines. With the NWA AMFA Locals already deeply in debt to the National organization, our Local’s may have to dig even deeper to support their efforts at United. Locals are already assessing members at Seattle and Anchorage, the membership shot down another assessment attempt in Duluth and Detroit is raffling off a Harley Davidson motorcycle.

With all the problems we’re having here at Northwest with layoffs, farm outs and so on, you would think the National would get our house in order before moving on to another carrier.

Most Locals can’t even afford to send grievances to arbitration Our Local will not spend the money to, and other Locals cannot afford to properly train our shop reps or committees. The National doesn’t seem concerned on how much of our work is being farmed out or how many members are laid off at NWA. When is the last time we have gotten any real information from the National? The latest letter from McCormick didn’t tell us anything we didn’t already know.

In a letter to the UAL IAM members dated March 29, 2002, Delle-Femine says, “You will be receiving frequent information updates via letter, handbills, meetings, and a special AMFA UAL toll-free hotline.†There will also be a “series of meetings (that) will be scheduled around the system to allow the UAL membership to ask the tough questions.†That’s a lot more communications then his own membership is receiving at Northwest! Who’s paying for this? The National Policy states that the National will get involved when the potential members have already signed 60% of the authorization cards. In the letter, AMFA National has once again rationalized violating their National policy on organizing at our expense.

We deserve some representation and have paid dearly for it. When will the farmouts stop? Our members are standing around with absolutely no work to do. NWA claims we are only at 17%, what happens when NWA tops out at the negotiated 38%? Because our AMFA leadership negotiated the 38% limit based on dollars, it’s going to be a heck of a lot more than just 38% of our work.

During the AMFA Campaign at NWA, they told us our dues would be $25 a month. Our dues are now approaching $60 a month. They also told us that organizing campaigns were “grass roots†to be run at a local level. AMFA National is now pulling out all the stops at United. How much are they going to raise our dues to pay for that campaign?

Also in the letter it seems that AMFA is up to their old tricks of misinformation. Delle, have you even read the UAL agreement you now want to represent? You insinuate that the IAM will decide if there are concessions at UAL when the contract clearly states that the membership has the explicit right to vote on the issue. You ask the question; “who do you want to represent you with the company when they come looking for concessions.†The answer is easy, the IAM OF COURSE! It was the IAM who stood up to the PEB and President Bush and received better pay and benefits then us at NWA. Remember who caved in to the PEB and the President? AMFA caved and we ended up with a contract where even Seham has stated we gave up $300,000,000.00 in work rule concessions.

It seems everyday I find out how more of our previous rights were negotiated away. It’s unbelievable that a member has to bump to another station in the dark because our Representatives can’t get NWA to tell us where the opening is. And to top it off, if they don’t exercise their seniority, they lose their severance pay and AMFA claims they volunteered to be laid off!

We can now have junior employees recalled to days and weekends off while senior employees cannot use their seniority to bid back to their previous shift and days off. It wasn’t like that under the IAM contract.

The IAM has always protected its member’s seniority rights; seniority has always been the backbone of any Union. AMFA doesn’t seem to care much for seniority; at least they didn’t in our current agreement for the Technicians working in the shops. Now AMFA wants to bring those benefits to the IAM members at United and we’ll end up footing the bill.

AMFA doesn’t need to waste more of our dues money on an organizing campaign at UAL. They need to start representing the membership at Northwest Airlines!

Steve Duffala
NWA Technician

 

[UAL_TECH]

CIO,

Good retort.
I would imagine that is why the card drive at NWA is going so well.

UT

(Thanks!! Credibility-Suicide one post at a time.)

TWU (When Pigs Fly)

 

[UAL_TECH]

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Be The Seed!!!

 

[b777conehead]

HEY CHECKING IT OUT FARMOUT AT NWA STARTED UNDER THE IAM. THE TWU SENT THE AMTS BACK 20 YEARS WITH PAYCUTS SICKTIME LOSS VACATION LOSS
HOLIDAY PAY LOSS LOSS OF DOUBLE TIME AND WHAT EVER OTHER SECRETE DEALS COME OUT SINCE WE STILL HAVENT SEEN THE FINAL CONTRACT LANGUAGE. GO AMFA
WHEN JIM CHICKEN LITTLE LOOSES THE AMTS TO AMFA THE DISPATHERS AND FLEET SERVICE MAYBE HE WILL FEEL OUR PAIN BUT NOW HE STILL IS MAKEING 144,000 A YEAR GETS ALL HIS VACATION AND SICK TIME

 

[johnny gearpin]

UAL TECH, nice post with the searches. The TWU at AA will lose to AMFA, it's inevitable. Unfortunately the longer it takes for the AMT industry to unite the more we are exposed to the whims of the Airline. I fought long and hard to get AMFA in at UAL. One of my proudest days.

Best of Luck to all those Indy Guys.

 

[RUM@AA]

Negotiations is a skill and takes experience, something amfa is unwilling to learn! To them it is all about money for the Companies and Sub-Contractors

Scope language from the skilled negotiators at the TWU:

"It is understood that nothing in this article guarantees the maintainence of the present volume of work"

cio, if you weren't so pitiful you'd be funny.

Don't worry, after the membership throws your ass out you can earn a living wage washing cars down at DNC headquarters.

 

[Radman]

:down: Hey cio, you post once like you are a twu (AA Tech), then in one of your last posts you state you are a NW technician. <_< <_< So which is it? you quote Pederson and another technician at NW (and I know Pederson is an ex-iam official), I give background because it makes a difference in how serious I take a post. I have also dealt with a person with your same alias on other boards and you sound like the same person. That person after a while had no credibility, because of to many LIES. People who are really concerned with their future in aviation do their own research (like myself). So in closing you will only guide the lazy or half hearted to your side on this topic!!!!! :angry: :angry:

 

[aircraft_artificer]

Those searches were great, UT. The search of the "Dept of Labor" ( www.dol.gov ) yields up to date results. Many of the "present" ENFORCEMENT actions are being taken against the TWU AND the IAM. This is one of the main reasons for the new "Union Dues Disclosure Act", BTW when asked Delle (AMFA) had no problems with the act; just the "Big Industrial Unions" that want to hide things did.

Things that make you go, "Hmmmm".