The Right Thing To Do.

[Strake]

Why is not signing a card "the right thing to do"(another TWU slogan borrowed from AA management by the way)?

Did you not read the post Bob? Did you click on the link Bob? Reaching a little here on the slogan thing are we not Bob? You know what Bob? If it were the IAM or IBT that we were be being solicited by, I would probably sign one of "their" cards. I've done enough research on the amfa to know that what they are about. It isn't good. You know it isn't. The amfa has demonstrated time and time again that it can not protect the work/jobs, it can't negotiate a contract, and has shown no interest in protecting pensions. I feel so strongly against the amfa I don't deem them to be worthy of a vote. I'm not un-democratic as you suggest. I simply KNOW the amfa sucks. You evidently haven't figured it out yet.

I'm sure that Saddam Hussain would be in complete agreement with Strake, CIO and HSS.

You can't be serious.

[post="189661"][/post]​

You also seem to be disappointed in the way the TWU is set up, however when you compare the performance of the leadership between the TWU and the amfa, the TWU clearly blows the amfa out of the water.


Hey Buck, I believe you are also "reaching" in your response to HSS. I read HSS's reply as a phrase directed squarely to Mr. Owens, however if you feel so inclined....

 

[Wretched Wrench]

I think signing a card is the right thing to do regardless of your union loyalties.

Obviously, if one is an AMFA supporter, signing a card is the right thing to do.

If you are a TWU loyalist, signing a card will cause the company and the TWU to face an election, and the TWU will work harder to gain the favor of the membership. Heck, they might not even roll over and grant even more concessions to AAL. History has shown that politicians don't care about their constituents if they think they have the next election in the bag. The fear of a successful AMFA drive keeps the company from asking the TWU for too much in the way of concessions. That is a card we do not want to lose.

So, PROTECT YOUR PAYCHECK BY SIGNING A CARD. You can still vote the way you want in an election and nobody will know.

 

[Strake]

Fair enough Wretched Wrench, however do you honestly think the company fears the amfa? Considering the amfa's performance at NWA and UAL, I think not. The amfa's history shows us how the management of those companies walk on them as if they were a door mat. IMHO I don't believe the amfa is worthy of our time or the thirty seven cents required to send in the card.

 

[Decision 2004]

Fair enough Wretched Wrench, however do you honestly think the company fears the amfa? Considering the amfa's performance at NWA and UAL, I think not. The amfa's history shows us how the management of those companies walk on them as if they were a door mat. IMHO I don't believe the amfa is worthy of our time or the thirty seven cents required to send in the card.

[post="189811"][/post]​

If what you say is true, and management walks all over AMFA just like AA walks over the TWU, then why not at least get a Constitution that empowers the member, and a union that does not fund gay and lesbian marriage?

Using your logic, management walks all over both unions, so look at other issues and AMFA clearly wins your support.

 

[Nightwatch]

You got to be kidding Stewart. You want us to sign a card for amfa knowing the amfa is powerless and has a history to prove just that. I look at the issues that involve me, and unlike yourself, gay and lesbian do not play a huge part of my lifestyle, care to share?

 

[Bob Owens]

Fair enough Wretched Wrench, however do you honestly think the company fears the amfa? Considering the amfa's performance at NWA and UAL, I think not. The amfa's history shows us how the management of those companies walk on them as if they were a door mat. IMHO I don't believe the amfa is worthy of our time or the thirty seven cents required to send in the card.

[post="189811"][/post]​

Well its obvious that the company loves the TWU. And why wouldnt they? With the TWU they can do as they polease as if there was no union. Look at how they ignore Little!

 

[Bob Owens]

You also seem to be disappointed in the way the TWU is set up, however when you compare the performance of the leadership between the TWU and the amfa, the TWU clearly blows the amfa out of the water.
Hey Buck, I believe you are also "reaching" in your response to HSS. I read HSS's reply as a phrase directed squarely to Mr. Owens, however if you feel so inclined....

[post="189794"][/post]​

"hoity-toity" New York Bull$hitttt.

Thats a pretty broad statement. Not precise beyond confinment to "New York". It was not as you claim directed squarely at me but instead included me with the rest of New York.

Disappointed with the way the TWU is set up? Well lets say that the setup only becomes important because of the performance. The TWUs lousy performance, from a workers point of view, has been clearly demonstrated by over 20 years of concessions. Concessions that have hurt all the workers of this industry, from the TWU B-scale at AA to the minimum wage baggage handlers at Triangle and Worldwide to the fuelers at Ogden allied. The TWU has seen growth of members, all at lower pay, higher out of pocket expenses, longer progressions, etc, at the expense of other unions who refused to sell out their members. Other unions tried to hold the line, the TWU essentially scabbed them all, and they did it with the protection of the AFL-CIO.

Do you actually believe that if we had not agreed to all these concessions over the years that nobody would have a job? That nobody would be flying anywhere? Maybe we would not be working at AA, maybe instead we would be working for a better run company like SWA that can pay their workers a good wage and make a profit.

 

[Nightwatch]

Does it matter to you that amfa's performance has surpassed the failures of the TWU? Evidently not.

 

[Bob Owens]

Does it matter to you that amfa's performance has surpassed the failures of the TWU? Evidently not.

[post="190089"][/post]​

Well it appears that you are finally agreeing that AMFAs performance surpasses the TWUs. As you admit the TWU has multiple failures.

You said it.

I especially like the way you call the SWA contract extension, that will put them at $400/week more than we get, thats over $20,000 a year, not including Holidays etc, a joke compared to our 25% cut in compensation contract renewal and extension.

 

[James T. Kirk]

Name: I have a question
Email:
Employer: NWA
Station: sea
Date: Monday October 11, 2004
Time: 06:24:19 PM

Comments
How much does NWA pay Delle Femine and Kevin McCormick for their "Consulting" Fees? Why aren't the IAM's Tom Buffenbarger and Robert Roach or the IBT's Hoffa jr. employed by NWA as "Consultants"? Webmaster I would appreciate your comments if you know anything about this. Thanks.

If you are really interested in how much NWA pays Delle and Kevin, you can request the LM-20 and LM21 forms from the Dept. of Labor. As to why other labor union officers aren't employed by NWA, I believe they're honest!

 

[Tulsadriller]

Buck and Bob,
I guess it's safe to say that HSS doesn't have an A&P, but would like to dictate how much A&P's should make. Hell he probally works in a tool room on base and wears a no amfa shirt. I guess my question is once stores is outsourced or greatly reduced, who is going to wear the no amfa shirts for the mighty twu. ROTFFLMFAO!

 

[Decision 2004]

Buck and Bob,
I guess it's safe to say that HSS doesn't have an A&P, but would like to dictate how much A&P's should make. Hell he probally works in a tool room on base and wears a no amfa shirt. I guess my question is once stores is outsourced or greatly reduced, who is going to wear the no amfa shirts for the mighty twu. ROTFFLMFAO!

[post="190253"][/post]​

The mighty machine shop of 256-1 will....

And what a "bee-hive" that is!

 

[Bob Owens]

You know what Bob, you are a real piece of crap! I have read your babble again and have concluded that I'm sick and tired of your "hoity-toity" New York Bull$hitttt....!!!!! Who do you think you are anyway Bob...? Are you a self proclaimed leader of the free world...? You compare me to the likes of Saddam Hussain? Take a look in a mirror you elitist prick.... :angry:

As far as I am concerned you can take your A&P and """"Shove it up your fat money hungry A$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"""........!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :angry:

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amfa: The YUGO of the labor movement
Where bargaining means YOU GO....!

[post="189770"][/post]​

Are you upset?

 

[local 12 proud]

As a scenario, how would you feel if you where to take your wife and kid's out to a nice dinner and someone came up and scooted one of your kid's out of their chair and began to eat their meal? I would suspect that you would be ready to kick this persons a$$ for doing such a thing... Right Bob? This is what I perceive of the amfa and the agenda you support......
thats got to rank pretty high up on the stupid analogy list there HSS. get a clue, we are not in the buisness of subsidizing our wages so the twu can continue thier dues flow all the while people come in and play cards and dominoes because they have no work to accomplish. obviously you have not spent alot of time in this industry, if you had you would know that layoffs are part of this chosen field because it has always been cyclical and very turbulent. in case you have'nt noticed this is not a socialist country, on the other hand the same can't be said about your beloved twu.

 

[Nightwatch]

"Well it appears that you are finally agreeing that AMFAs performance surpasses the TWUs. As you admit the TWU has multiple failures.

You said it."

You are for once correct Owens. But performance is rated either positive or negative in relation to it's merit. amfa's performance, by it's history, is negative and has surpassed any negatives of the TWU.

I realize you already know this to be a fact, imagine amfa in 2007, once again operating out of an automobile trunk.