Our turn to strike, and we must prepare.

[Rogallo]

Exactly right Conehead.

 

[1AA]

In order to STRIKE you need STRONG Leadership and Direction with an objective.

We have non of those. This topic is all academic.

Dallas Cone Head is correct in his opinion and views about the membership we have here at AA.

 

[Runwaysticker]

WRONG on the 10 year back round check. That is what they say. I know fellow employees that had their ID process held up for infractions they had over 10 years. One guy had an issue when he was 16. His case was never sent to a judge. It was dropped. 30 years later it pops up and he had to go back to the judge (Died several years back) and had to go through all kinds of legal crap to try to get it removed totally from his record. I remember talking to him about it. He went through hell and back. All for some juvenile fight he had in a school yard with another student. So that 10 year check is a joke. Good PR is all. Just think of all the legal aliens in this country who have less than 10 years in this country. What do you do if you can not go back 10 years? You just pass them through the system. They could have been felons in their country and not even know it. These people work on the secure side of the ramp next to a person who gets scrutinized on his lifetime back round check for a school yard fight.

I work with a AMT that went to get his SIDA and Customs ID and it took months because in 1981 he was charged with weed possision which at that time and state was a felon, was reduced to a mistermenor, he had it enspunged. When they checked it showed a felon charge but no conviction or dismiss because it was enspunged he went thru a lot of BS and loss of wages.....

 

[flyhigh]

Let's assume that in the best scenario which in the US airline industry Southwest Airlines that AA was making the same "profits" that WN is making. Given that, in an environment where even the best performer in your business is not doing all that well (they've even had losing quarters) is an expectation of higher wages realistic? Now, your issues with how mgmt may be valid and should be held accountable. If they can't afford a hike for you, then none for anyone. But, that should be the stipulation. If anyone above VP level make a dime extra you all get the same, otherwise, nothing for anyone. The idea of a strike is not wise though. Everyone thinks they are irreplacable...they aren't

 

[eolesen]

Question for the guys claiming denial for events older than 10 years --- were they being dual badged for SIDA and Customs?

SIDA is supposed to only be 10 years, but FIS access is a little less forgiving. Under 19 C.F.R. § 122.183, individual port directors have broad discretion in being able to denying a FIS seal for convictions outside the 10 year period. Drug convictions in particular get negative attention with the Customs guys...


I think there's a bit of a disconnect with the unionistas --- the right to strike and the wisdom to strike are mutually exclusive. Had the Eastern strike been called in 1991 instead of 1989, I don't think it would have been quite as successful due to the recession that occurred after the Kuwait invasion.

Just as a point of reference... with all the talk of strikes, here's a list of strikes under the RLA:

http://www.nmb.gov/publicinfo/airline-strikes.html

Map that against the double-dip recession in 1980-1981, the Gulf War recession in 1990-1991, and the post-9/11 era, and you get an interesting result... It's also obvious that the will to strike is nowhere near what it was in the regulated era.

I've repeatedly shown the PEB chart, with Democrats calling for more PEB's than Republicans, but who knows what Obummer would do. Like most academics, he just doesn't seem capable of making a quick decision unless it benefits his public opinion polls.

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ------- Olesen, I'm curious. If you were dealing with AA's negotiators, how would you handle our case? ----- And please don't tell us you'd sit on your hands and except anything they offer because, after all, there's a 10% unemployment rate out there right now!

 

[Bob Owens]

Let's assume that in the best scenario which in the US airline industry Southwest Airlines that AA was making the same "profits" that WN is making. Given that, in an environment where even the best performer in your business is not doing all that well (they've even had losing quarters) is an expectation of higher wages realistic?

Yes, why not? Airports have jacked up their fees by 30%, parts suppliers have been jacking up their prices as well, and we dont even need to mention whats happened to fuel prices. If everybody else is jacking up their prices why shouldnt labor?

AA's revenue has soared since 2003, and the number of employees have plummeted, everybody else is grabbing as much as they can, so should we.

Everyone thinks they are irreplacable...they aren't

True, but neither is AA.

 

[TIME FOR CHANGE]

Question for the guys claiming denial for events older than 10 years --- were they being dual badged for SIDA and Customs?
I know of at least one person. He is at least 50 and had a felony involving a firearm when he was 18. He also had a hard time getting his ID. Dont even know if it was ever resolved he went to Dallas.

 

[eolesen]

<_< ------- Olesen, I'm curious. If you were dealing with AA's negotiators, how would you handle our case? ----- And please don't tell us you'd sit on your hands and except anything they offer because, after all, there's a 10% unemployment rate out there right now!

You've already heard my answer more than once -- dump the team you currently have "negotiating" for you, and hire professionals who negotiate for a living.

You guys (and most airline unions for that matter) have been outclassed at the negotiating table for years, yet you still think it's OK to keep sending the guy who wins a popular vote. You need a few labor relations MBA's and compensation specialists going up against the MBA's the company is bringing to the table.

 

[MCI transplant]

You've already heard my answer more than once -- dump the team you currently have "negotiating" for you, and hire professionals who negotiate for a living.

You guys (and most airline unions for that matter) have been outclassed at the negotiating table for years, yet you still think it's OK to keep sending the guy who wins a popular vote. You need a few labor relations MBA's and compensation specialists going up against the MBA's the company is bringing to the table.

<_< -----Best advice I've heard in a long time!-----But hell! The TWU couldn't do that! It makes too much since!!! And if that's all it took to get a descent contract, what in the world would AA's AMT's, and related, need the TWU for???

 

[Boomer]

You've already heard my answer more than once -- dump the team you currently have "negotiating" for you, and hire professionals who negotiate for a living.

You guys (and most airline unions for that matter) have been outclassed at the negotiating table for years, yet you still think it's OK to keep sending the guy who wins a popular vote. You need a few labor relations MBA's and compensation specialists going up against the MBA's the company is bringing to the table.

This is for Bob Owens:

What would stop the "negotiations team members" tossed from actual labor negotiations from using their local treasuries to retain the type of talent eolesen discusses above: then, publishing the results of that analysis prior to any vote by yourselves?

Since the International owns the contract, local treasuries should be used for nothing other than Membership benefits: the International must fund all arbitrations since the locals have no legal standing to challenge the interpretation of a contractual relationship to which they are not a party.

 

[Rogallo]

You've already heard my answer more than once -- dump the team you currently have "negotiating" for you, and hire professionals who negotiate for a living.

duh

 

[Kev3188]

People want to say a strike could never happen because of this reason or that one, they want to blame their situation on this organization or that one. When do we become accountable for ourselves? Whether a strike happens or not, people should be ready, they should have the mindset to walk and be prepared financially and mentally. Instead, they have the mindset to scab, or that the union won’t do it, or that the president will step in. It makes me ill. Anyone ever hear of posturing. You have to be able to talk the talk and walk the walk. But instead, we have the whiners, they want to blame their situation on everyone else but themselves. Man Up people!

Then the company posters come in here and spin the conversation, crank up the fear machine. It’s their job, what they get paid to do. Everyone knows if their moving their lips their lying.

Ehh, never mind, I’ll go out and get me a 40k truck on credit, position myself with zero savings and a bunch of maxed out credit cards, and 401k loans, and a mortgage and house so big, I'll be paying for decades. This way I could never walk if called upon. I’ll whine about the democrats and big government and then pray they step in. Moan about the union because I can. Complain about the company and their tactics, hurry up and get my B check done so I can get online , watch TV or get down. My one contribution to the cause will be to come on this board and moan about it all.

What a great plan.

This is arguably the best post I've read on here in a long time. Unfortunately, the people who need most to take it to heart aren't on this board; they're too busy shopping for new dualies, and bass boats...

 

[Delta Technician]

This is arguably the best post I've read on here in a long time. Unfortunately, the people who need most to take it to heart aren't on this board; they're too busy shopping for new dualies, and bass boats...

People should live their lives always questioning when there will be a strike?? What do we work for? We work to live a better life. We work for making our families happy. We don't work for the union. Yes we should all be fiscally responsible but we should have better hopes than to go on strike. I have more faith in the workforce than to accuse them of being irresponsible to the threat of a strike. Definitely not the best post I've read on here in a long time.

 

[TWU informer]

This is for Bob Owens:

What would stop the "negotiations team members" tossed from actual labor negotiations from using their local treasuries to retain the type of talent eolesen discusses above: then, publishing the results of that analysis prior to any vote by yourselves?

Since the International owns the contract, local treasuries should be used for nothing other than Membership benefits: the International must fund all arbitrations since the locals have no legal standing to challenge the interpretation of a contractual relationship to which they are not a party.

Damn good idea!

And if those locals are short on funds and POS Local 514 Leadership wont help out then take up a system wide collection.

Professionals on the ground - Need Professional at the Table