Pilot Labor Thread for the week 4/19-4/26

[EastUS]

as i have read' You don't work for us at this time
but you post on all threads so what union do you work for? :unsure: or job title???? union rep,?Pilot? mech? ramp?i love this reply only the facts so what is the truth.??????????

I won't get personal as per the individual involved. You may read previous, and abundant postings and form your own opinion. I, too "love this reply", but for different reasons. Perhaps it's time for all of us, industry-wide, to at least consider it:

"Look in the mirror before you attack another airline's pilots."

 

[nostradamus]

Since 1992 US pilots have been leading the way for concessions in the industry.

Look in the mirror before you attack another airline's pilots.

Facts, sir

 

[nostradamus]

To the alpa supporters on flight pay loss.


"A man who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. "

John Stuart Mill

 

[legacy-to-LCC]

i am purposefully relocating this inquiry to the appropriate thread.

with respect to a possible UA/US merger: i remember reading a lot of potential problems relating to pilot seniority integration when the first merger was announced in 2000 (?). it never made an impact on me because the nonsensical idea of stealing seniority never crossed my mind. UA pilots were concerned because the US pilots were "relatively" more senior, and could potentially replace coveted UA flying.

UA has a history and pilot seniority list "relatively" commensurate to US. wouldn't the UA pilots in any such merger be more protective of their seniority against a pilot group whose company is only twenty something years old?

 

[Tiger 1050]

i am purposefully relocating this inquiry to the appropriate thread.

with respect to a possible UA/US merger: i remember reading a lot of potential problems relating to pilot seniority integration when the first merger was announced in 2000 (?). it never made an impact on me because the nonsensical idea of stealing seniority never crossed my mind. UA pilots were concerned because the US pilots were "relatively" more senior, and could potentially replace coveted UA flying.

UA has a history and pilot seniority list "relatively" commensurate to US. wouldn't the UA pilots in any such merger be more protective of their seniority against a pilot group whose company is only twenty something years old?

How ever you wish to justify it... In the end though, if this goes through, USAPA will gone and the Nic will be at the very least a reference from which to start... To which I say 2 thumbs up!!

 

[nostradamus]

How ever you wish to justify it... In the end though, if this goes through, USAPA will gone and the Nic will be at the very least a reference from which to start... To which I say 2 thumbs up!!

With two thumbs up, you could be very well walking on your elbows soon.

 

[EastUS]

with respect to a possible UA/US merger: i remember reading a lot of potential problems relating to pilot seniority integration when the first merger was announced in 2000 (?). it never made an impact on me because the nonsensical idea of stealing seniority never crossed my mind. UA pilots were concerned because the US pilots were "relatively" more senior, and could potentially replace coveted UA flying.

UA has a history and pilot seniority list "relatively" commensurate to US. wouldn't the UA pilots in any such merger be more protective of their seniority against a pilot group whose company is only twenty something years old?

The latest posted west fantasy apparently is that UAL pilots somehow magically share their estimations of where the west folks should be placed on any combined list, that USAPA will instantly evaporate, and Alpoid "justice" will immediately reign supreme. Words simply fail me on all counts there...No matter. Once more; we'll get to eventually see what the future actually holds for any/all in due time.

 

[nostradamus]

Please read this message from praters "brothers and sisters" pilots non alpa web site of Continental Airlines.

john prater president of the airline pilots association is a Continental Pilot, click here to judge their support for him.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

The latest posted west fantasy apparently is that UAL pilots somehow magically share their estimations of where the west folks should be placed on any combined list, that USAPA will instantly evaporate, and Alpoid "justice" will immediately reign supreme. Words simply fail me on all counts there...No matter. Once more; we'll get to eventually see what the future actually holds for any/all in due time.

Very true good sir. What the west folks don't seem to think about or ignore, is there is a core group of pilots who were actively trying to decertify ALPA over there also. Much like here. All it will take is one issue to bring it all out. Again. With ALPA's track record, what? Me worry?

 

[767jetz]

The latest posted west fantasy apparently is that UAL pilots somehow magically share their estimations of where the west folks should be placed on any combined list, that USAPA will instantly evaporate, and Alpoid "justice" will immediately reign supreme. Words simply fail me on all counts there...No matter. Once more; we'll get to eventually see what the future actually holds for any/all in due time.

Ummm... What happened to Majority Rules??? Let's see... AAA pilots = 3000. UA pilots = 8000. AWA pilots = 1800.

I'd say 9800 trumps 3000 by a 3.27 to 1 margin. Any questions?

In this hypothetical scenario, the combined company (that being called United Airlines, btw) will have ALPA representing the pilots, relative seniority based on the Nicolau award, and fences and restrictions that protects everyone's flying and effectively contains US pilots to their narrowbodied airplanes and handful of 330's, until the last East pilot retires. And just for your further information, most UA pilots DO share the West's estimations of where folks should be placed on a combined list.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

will have ALPA representing the pilots,

Maybe, then again maybe not.

 

[nostradamus]

Ummm... What happened to Majority Rules??? Let's see... AAA pilots = 3000. UA pilots = 8000. AWA pilots = 1800.

I'd say 9800 trumps 3000 by a 3.27 to 1 margin. Any questions?

And just for your further information, most UA pilots DO share the West's estimations of where folks should be placed on a combined list.In this hypothetical scenario, the combined company (that being called United Airlines, btw) will have ALPA representing the pilots, relative seniority based on the Nicolau award, and fences and restrictions that protects everyone's flying and effectively contains US pilots to their narrowbodied airplanes and handful of 330's, until the last East pilot retires.

How many 330's does US Airways have? Let 767jetz answer this please. I suggest what you may in your fantasies consider it eligible to be called a handful, is much larger than what you experience on a daily basis.

 

[767jetz]

Very true good sir. What the west folks don't seem to think about or ignore, is there is a core group of pilots who were actively trying to decertify ALPA over there also.

You couldn't be more misinformed, my good sir. The UPA closed it's doors a year ago (give or take) do to lack of support. It was a small group of mostly IAD based captains, displaced from MIA when that base closed, and bitter over the loss of their pension and how the convertible bond was distributed. They have mostly pledged their support to our new Master Chairman, who is a strong leader ready to fight the company for a decent contract. They are also mostly 777 and 747 captain seniority with 20-24 years in, and would be the first to fight you guys tooth and nail about maintaining their relative seniority over your DOH.

You really should stick to things you actually know.

 

[nostradamus]

You couldn't be more misinformed, my good sir. The UPA closed it's doors a year ago (give or take) do to lack of support. It was a small group of mostly IAD based captains, displaced from MIA when that base closed, and bitter over the loss of their pension and how the convertible bond was distributed. They have mostly pledged their support to our new Master Chairman, who is a strong leader ready to fight the company for a decent contract. They are also mostly 777 and 747 captain seniority with 20-24 years in, and would be the first to fight you guys tooth and nail about maintaining their relative seniority over your DOH.

You really should stick to things you actually know.

"A group that is allegedly a small disenfranchised group, that lost pensions, that came from a closed base,.....,,,,,. " yes you are correct, he as a US Airways pilot, should stick to things he actually knows about and has experienced.

Maybe the difference in this situation, was the amount of brass, per flesh, per person, times the amount of members.

 

[767jetz]

How many 330's does US Airways have? Let 767jetz answer this please. I suggest what you may in your fantasies consider it eligible to be called a handful, is much larger than what you experience on a daily basis.

Don't know. My guess is around 10. And maybe another 10 767-200's. Whatever the number, it is a handful compared to UA's widebody fleet.

777's : 52
747's : 30
767-300ER: 35

For those who are mathematically challenged, that's 117 widebody, long range, international airplanes.