Pilot Labor Thread for the week 4/19-4/26

[oldiebutgoody]

Alpa handshake trumps a USAPA handshake anyday.

I don't know who trumps whom, but after over 20 years in ALPA, I know where those hands have been, and I ain't touching 'em!

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Alpa handshake trumps a USAPA handshake anyday.

Yeah with an ALPA handshake it's time to get the Purell out. Especially now, all that ball scratching, time to think what the hell just happened.

Later,
Eye

 

[ableoneable]

Because we are talking about the law and how it pertains to changes in jurisdiction and representation I thought of an interesting example to share.

In the late 1960s or early 1970s a California water rights case wound its way through the courts.

An upstream land owner decided to divert the majority of a stream, that ran through his ranch, for his own use and allowed only a small amount of water to continue downstream. For those of you that don't know it, this is not legal under California Law. (I don't think it is legal in any state but I am not sure.)

The title to the upstream rancher's land had been in private hands for a very, very long time. His ranch was originally the property of Spain when they owned California. The Spanish government had issued a land grant to a private party sometime in the 1800s. Though California had passed from Spain to Mexico to the United States that ranch had remained in private hands the entire time, all the way until the case went to court in the 1970s.

When Spain titled that land in the 1800s their laws held that he who owned the land also owned the water, all of it.

The court found that the current owner's title was traceable all the way back to the original Spanish land grant. Because the current owner's title was in fact based on the legality of the original Spanish title, Spanish water right laws were controlling in this case.

This interpretation has stood.

To this day there are California ranches whose water rights are based not on current California state law or even federal law but on the Spanish laws that were on the books at the time of the original land grants.

 

[nostradamus]

FYI, another merger comes down the pipe, you guys are &^%$'ed, you have pissed off everybody.

john prater, president of alpa is a continental pilot. The pilots of the airline he flys for know him best. This is what they think about the snake oil salesman.

"Pater needs to resign in the best interests of ALPA's survival."

"We as a Continental pilot group need to reconsider our 8 year old vote to re-affiliate with ALPA."

"Too bad ALPA is so irresponsible with those "global resources, connections, and expertise." Expertise at what? They talk a great talk, but can't walk the walk. They hand out the kool aid to keep us in line. We have pilots that blindly trust ALPA, never asking the hard questions. ALPA is a political, money gathering machine."



alpa president john prater is a continental pilot, click here to see what his "alpa brothers" think of him.

The only people we p#@# off sir are former drug running pilots like yourself that will sell their soul for instant seniority. Not so fast.

 

[b737fo]

The only people we p#@# off sir are former drug running pilots like yourself that will sell their soul for instant seniority. Not so fast.

Hey Nos you seem to be off your game.

You forgot "drunk", "UFO spotting", and "scab".

 

[nostradamus]

Hey Nos you seem to be off your game.

You forgot "drunk", "UFO spotting", and "scab".

I will never forget the damage caused by the america west pilots. You are preaching to the choir, sir.

 

[LOA93]

I will never forget the damage caused by the america west pilots. You are preaching to the choir, sir.

What damage did we do?

 

[b737fo]

What damage did we do?

We spotted UFO's!

Apparently that was very damaging to him/her.

Unfortunately "the never forget what the other side did" mentality only seems to be growing not subsiding here. It feels like these attitudes will remain an impediment on property until some retire and the "rookie pilots" are the only ones left. Too bad the 737 is going away. I like flying in my own little world out here. Then again I am probably not qualified to fly on the east coast heaven forbid international.

 

[EastUS]

We spotted UFO's!

Apparently that was very damaging to him/her.

Unfortunately "the never forget what the other side did" mentality only seems to be growing not subsiding here.

I'm hoping time will serve to heal. We're all still in the middle of a lot of issues that make for some serious emotional flareups all around. Add to that the fact that we've chosen one of the most currently unstable industries possible to work in...third only to politics and Hollywood...assuming some difference between those last that is..

PS: You're actually better off with the 737 (which I've always loved myself) for actually getting to fly. International's largely a "snore" by comparison. One takeoff/one landing per trip/etc. No suggestion there not to do it, but, everything's a trade off it seems.

 

[700UW]

I will never forget the damage caused by the america west pilots. You are preaching to the choir, sir.

Since 1992 US pilots have been leading the way for concessions in the industry.

Look in the mirror before you attack another airline's pilots.

 

[Bear96]

Hey Nos you seem to be off your game.

You forgot "drunk", "UFO spotting", and "scab".

He also forgot "shooting off guns in the cockpit."

Oh, wait. Never mind.

 

[Bear96]

That's cheap shot.

Interesting reaction, considering how the endless "cheap shots" by that poster about West pilots go ignored by you.

You don't like the "Ambulance Chaser" stereotype . . .

It doesn't bother me, since the type of law I practice is quite the opposite of "ambulance chasing." It just makes people who say it look ignorant.

 

[73320]

Since 1992 US pilots have been leading the way for concessions in the industry.

Look in the mirror before you attack another airline's pilots.

I must take issue with that statement and stand up for the east. What good choices are available when your company is losing so much money that half the fleet gets parked in the desert? The company had to lower costs as low cost airlines got to critical mass greatly impacting U's sustainability. One can find fault with how they dealt with those issues but anytime this happens it is always the same ....the blame game. At least the east pilots were able to be paid rather well when times were good. We are still in blame game mode and ALPA was the latest casualty. There will be more casualties in the future.

 

[TRAVIS]

Since 1992 US pilots have been leading the way for concessions in the industry.

Look in the mirror before you attack another airline's pilots.

as i have read' You don't work for us at this time
but you post on all threads so what union do you work for? :unsure: or job title???? union rep,?Pilot? mech? ramp?i love this reply only the facts so what is the truth.??????????

 

[sharktooth]

It doesn't bother me, since the type of law I practice is quite the opposite of "ambulance chasing." It just makes people who say it look ignorant.

It plays well with those of us who are not in on the ambulance chasing profession. It is just as "descriptive" as "shooting off guns in the cockpit", not that you would notice.