Pilot seniority arbitration award is out

[autofixer]

I would rather had dealt with liquidation than this horror!

Mark this date, this is the beginning of the end of LCC.

 

[luvthe9]

CALL YOUR REPS NOW LET THEM THEM KNOW YOU WANT TWO SEPERATE CONTRACTS!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[autofixer]

And the JNC.

 

[boeingdriver213]

Widebody fence lasts for only a short time

No bump/no flush - yes but the west gets to capture the increased age attrition on the east that you wouldn't have had on the west. There are no bidding restrictions on that

Oh WOW - DOH for non rev is a great trade off for losing 18 yrs of seniority

The alternative may have been liquidation but your alternative would have been bankruptcy and fleet reduction and furloughs - not a mature international division and lucrative east coast route structure

On 5/05 Mr Colello was opearating an aircraft under USAirways certificate. He was a member of USAirways ALPA and paying dues to such. He was paid by USAirways. He was on the USAirways seniority list. He was a part of USAirways as testified by Mr Jerrold Glass, USAirways VP of Labor Relatuions at an arbitration hearing over the sale of MDA to REP. What makes you think he was unemployed? He had contributed 17 years to USAirways when Mr Odell was hired.

Complain all you want guys, but if you want to affect change, unity in numbers is the only way to get your message heard.

 

[ab320driver]

Complain all you want guys, but if you want to affect change, unity in numbers is the only way to get your message heard.

The good will ended about 48 hours ago. KEEP 'EM SEPARATE. Bring the JNC home! This is no longer our US Airways...

 

[luvthe9]

Dear Fellow Pilot,

In my opinion, here are the actions the MEC should take to protect every pre-merger US Airways pilot, not just those at the top, but the entire list:

- Listen to the company’s May 8 and 9 comprehensive proposal.

- Negotiate an A340 LOA, which would provide more high paying PHL-based positions.

- Stop the 3-engine taxi, TOGA takeoffs, and other actions that increase costs, damage the business enterprise, and lower profit sharing payments.

- Do not agree to a new combined contract, unless Doug Parker does not accept the Arbitrators award.

- Stop spending money on ALPA billboards, ads, and other issues and use this money to pay down our merger assessment.

The benefits:

- Maintain a DOH seniority list and capture all of the attrition based career expectation. George Nicolau commented on the US Airways pilot’s significant attrition and by not agreeing to a contract the East pilots would obtain every widebody position, every EMB-190 position, and continue having recalls/improved seniority only in East Coast crew bases.

- Continue with significant East Coast pilot recalls, which improves everybody’s seniority and limits POTA’s, the inability to drop trips, and better schedules.

- Obtain pay raises as reserves become blockholders, first officers become captains again instead of pulling the gear for a pilot about 10 years junior to them in regard to tenure, and narrowbody pilots become widebody pilots.

- Delay or prevent Pref Bid from being implemented, which will only benefit the very senior pilot and create quality of life problems for the junior pilot. Keep the current line construction, primary line, secondary line, SAP, VLA, and AIL bidding system in place.

By the way - not obtaining a new contract will hurt me because I want to be an A320 Captain in PIT and I will not bid a widebody at this time because quality of life is more important to me than money. Would a pay and benefit increase be nice? Absolutely, but to me it is not worth selling out the junior/majority of pilots seniority.

Regards, Chip

 

[Elevation]

NEWS FLASH:

Parker already said that if a contract can't be agreed to the AWA guys will go on to the AAA contract!!! Hemminway Letter. SO basically you screw yourself TWICE by not getting the new contract! Think people!! A new contract with emphasize on the FO side is where this need to go. It's gonna be FOs vs. Capts.

 

[longing4piedmont]

Dear Fellow Pilot,

......

Regards, Chip

Is this who I think it is?

 

[ab320driver]

NEWS FLASH: Parker already said that if a contract can't be agreed to the AWA guys will go on to the AAA contract!!! Hemminway Letter. SO basically you screw yourself TWICE by not getting the new contract! Think people. New Contract with emphasize on the FO side.

What. 🙄 ever..

 

[Groucho]

Dear Fellow Pilot,

In my opinion, here are the actions the MEC should take to protect every pre-merger US Airways pilot, not just those at the top, but the entire list:

- Listen to the company’s May 8 and 9 comprehensive proposal.

- Negotiate an A340 LOA, which would provide more high paying PHL-based positions.

- Stop the 3-engine taxi, TOGA takeoffs, and other actions that increase costs, damage the business enterprise, and lower profit sharing payments.

- Do not agree to a new combined contract, unless Doug Parker does not accept the Arbitrators award.

- Stop spending money on ALPA billboards, ads, and other issues and use this money to pay down our merger assessment.

The benefits:

- Maintain a DOH seniority list and capture all of the attrition based career expectation. George Nicolau commented on the US Airways pilot’s significant attrition and by not agreeing to a contract the East pilots would obtain every widebody position, every EMB-190 position, and continue having recalls/improved seniority only in East Coast crew bases.

- Continue with significant East Coast pilot recalls, which improves everybody’s seniority and limits POTA’s, the inability to drop trips, and better schedules.

- Obtain pay raises as reserves become blockholders, first officers become captains again instead of pulling the gear for a pilot about 10 years junior to them in regard to tenure, and narrowbody pilots become widebody pilots.

- Delay or prevent Pref Bid from being implemented, which will only benefit the very senior pilot and create quality of life problems for the junior pilot. Keep the current line construction, primary line, secondary line, SAP, VLA, and AIL bidding system in place.

By the way - not obtaining a new contract will hurt me because I want to be an A320 Captain in PIT and I will not bid a widebody at this time because quality of life is more important to me than money. Would a pay and benefit increase be nice? Absolutely, but to me it is not worth selling out the junior/majority of pilots seniority.

Regards, Chip

For once I agree!!

 

[TravelDude]

NEWS FLASH:

Parker already said that if a contract can't be agreed to the AWA guys will go on to the AAA contract!!! Hemminway Letter. SO basically you screw yourself TWICE by not getting the new contract! Think people!! A new contract with emphasize on the FO side is where this need to go. It's gonna be FOs vs. Capts.

I have no stake in this as not a pilot, and I completely can see points from both sides. It was an arbitration and this is how they usually turn out, one side feels it was not as neutral or fair as it could be.

Parker has several options available to him if everyone does not play nice or if one group (west or east) takes negative action.

1) The AAA listed above

2) He could operate as seperate companies with seperate crews and equipment but one name, just like the express carriers. This will not be completely economical so he will gradually sell or transfer the parts of the expensive one to the cheaper one, watch those A320 family aircraft get transferred to the HP certificate and new hires hired on the west side. He would know this would piss off off the east pilots, but hey tey are already hurting the company by negative work actions.

3) He could take the company into bankruptcy very easily to force 1113c motions in the court, then watch out on what will happen to pay and positions. This would also allow him to getlower airport rents and other contracts. Could be a huge win for him in long run and just cause pain to the employees while the investors win.

4) He could start a new company using the assets of the old company.


FUN TIMES! It will all come down to how the east pilots decide to play, but work slow downs and such will only cause more pain for you all in long run.

 

[ussnark]

Dear Fellow Pilot,
- Stop the 3-engine taxi, TOGA takeoffs, and other actions that increase costs, damage the business enterprise, and lower profit sharing payments.
Regards, Chip

Dear Chip,

"increase costs"?

You mean, take money away from the financial institutions that are raping US, GE Capital among many.

"damage the business enterprise"

You mean, make the money laundering "front" organization look like yet another flop?

"lower profit sharing payments"

You mean, the management group has lost control over the finances of this operation? If so, perhaps the group should be fired.

Let me extend a favor to you by reiterating that corporations "show" a profit when, and only when, they want to. Your "profit sharing" meme is a non sequitur.

 

[traderjake]

Can you say fights in the cockpit? Fights in the hotel van? LCC is in fact dead...at least I hope this piece of crap airline is put out of its misery. This award IS THE WORST CASE SCENERIO in the pilot world.

You must think the all of us are unethical and brain like you.

We got a less than optimum integration because we were greedy and stupid. Anyone who had half a brain and read the merger policy knew DOH was not going to happen.

 

[bigbusdrvr]

While I do not think this decision is fair at all, I am wondering what recourse you have in the East? And what does the company really care?

Now to change the ffocus a little, what effect will this have on operations? I am trying to stay out of union/labor/issues, but I would like to know how this will affect the customer?

From what little I have read, this stinks for you guys and gals in the East, and I am sorry--but I have no dog in this fight, except to look out for my members--your colleagues and customers.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

My best to you all....

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I would think at least you can expect a sour moral from the cockpit...

For a period of time you will see the full "Not my job" attitude.

The first officers will now be their for life, their career is virtually over. Its just a check from a job they no longer want, but cant leave as redilly as they would like.

Its not gonna be a pleasant travel season this summer to say the least....

 

[Viper16]

2) He could operate as seperate companies with seperate crews and equipment but one name, just like the express carriers. This will not be completely economical so he will gradually sell or transfer the parts of the expensive one to the cheaper one, watch those A320 family aircraft get transferred to the HP certificate and new hires hired on the west side. He would know this would piss off off the east pilots, but hey tey are already hurting the company by negative work actions.

If he operated them separately I think the new a/c would go to the east as it has lower costs than the HP contract. Additionally any international growth would probably go to the east also as that is where the Intl flying is based and the east has an Intl division along with contract language for Intl flights - the west does not have that.