Pilots to start major disruptions

[nycbusdriver]

It only makes the pilots feel better about themselves. Have company negotitors caved yet? Afterall, this has been going on for a month. Think angry pilots care one whit about their passengers? No. Their fellow employees? Don't make me laugh.
ALL of the employees of US have taken big hits (save for some in Tempe). And the ground staff is working harder than ever for far less than before. So my empathy for the poor pilots (who do this every time their contract talks are contentious) is nonexistant. Don't screw my work life up just because you're unhappy with yours.

Actually, the Joint Negotiating Committee reported this week that our "Do Your Job" campaign is having a positive effect on their efforts at the bargaining table.

As far as the passengers, right now we can't figure out why you would stay with a carrier that disrupts your schedule. So? What are you waiting for? Go already.

The pilots flat-out don't care if you fill your transportation needs elsewhere. And, given your obvious attitude, I'll be the flight attendants and customer service agents will happily bid you "shove off" also.

 

[N924PS]

Actually, the Joint Negotiating Committee reported this week that our "Do Your Job" campaign is having a positive effect on their efforts at the bargaining table.

As far as the passengers, right now we can't figure out why you would stay with a carrier that disrupts your schedule. So? What are you waiting for? Go already.

The pilots flat-out don't care if you fill your transportation needs elsewhere. And, given your obvious attitude, I'll be the flight attendants and customer service agents will happily bid you "shove off" also.

Such a positive effect that only ancillary sections of the pilot working agreement of been tentatively agreed to by both sides.

The "meaty" issues such as pay, scheduling, benefits, etc. remain unresolved. How long have the two parties been "negotiating" up to this point?

But the pilots do look impressive, determined and somber in the videos. Hope a favorable result is imminent.

And unlike NYC, most recognize and appreciate our FF's contribution to the bottom line and hope you will still consider USAirways for your travel needs.

 

[FLYLOW22]

As a furloughed pilot of almost 6 years now I'd like to offer a HUGE heartfilled expression of joy that the collective bargaining unit of US Airways has reach down and solidly found some brass balls! Thank you guys for fighting. We've all lost too much in this to chumps like Daiquiri Doug Parker, just "Dave", that other loser in the middle... Lake something, and my favorites Wolf and Gangwal.

Follow every rule out there. Hell, follow them twice if necessary just to make sure.

P.S. Still missing that block of cheese at Christmas. Wait, I think I may still have some.

 

[Crzipilot]

#4. The FAA doctor/pilot you speak about is a professional and would act as such when writing a note for a pilot who is sick. So in answer to your question, yes I do think he would have a problem giving a pilot a note when he wasn't actually sick. It's called being a professional.

Just like Xmas of '01, the Emergency room dr. that, when came in and asked why I was there. I stated, Well even though I can fly a multi-million dollar airplane around the sky with a few hundred people on it. You see I have this sinus thing, that I can't really fly with, and well, my company doesn't think I'm responsible enough to tell when I'm not in the condition to fly, and they make me run to a Dr. for a note to stay home from school. Oh and they have to foot the bill, so hence I'm in the ER not under my insurance, so bill me full price for this. As he chuckled, and said, ok, no problem, how long do you want to be out, (three weeks should do it) he wrote the note out, and told me to have a good night..........

It's not hard to get a note.....

Anything done to intentionally cause delays or cancellations not only hurts the company...but it mostly hurts the paying passenger and the front line customer service personnel (which I am). I have to deal with and try to assist passengers in a delay or cancellation situation...so my suggestions is this: If a pilot wants to delay by slowing down or cancel a flight then THEY should have to come out to the gate and help re-route the passenger....just a thought.

Just something to ponder........

Just something to ponder, the pilots are hired to fly the airplane right??? The agents are there to process the tickets, and make sure everyone is on board right??? Catering is there to make sure the airplane gets catered right?? Ramp is there to ensure the airplane is taken care of on the ramp, loaded unloaded, etc. So tell me....where in my GDAMD job description does it say, I must call ops for catering. I must call ops for my release. I must call ops for up to the date weather. I must call ops for dupe seats. I must call ops, when an agent puts 145 people on a 142 seat airplane. I must call ops when the bags aren't loaded/unloaded. I must call ops when there aren't any marshellers. I must call ops, when we called in range for lav service, for that same lav service AFTER the airplane has been sitting on the ramp for an hour. I must call ops, because same time frame, and the airplane STILL isn't fueled.

None of these things are in our job description, and for years, the pilots have made sure things are done (granted for the most part, everyone does their job and it gets done) for those stations which inherently it does not. we call and B*thc for it to get done so it gets out on time, with the supplies and such to service our passengers. Siimply saying, no more anymore....

 

[ggiby]

Just like Xmas of '01, the Emergency room dr. that, when came in and asked why I was there. I stated, Well even though I can fly a multi-million dollar airplane around the sky with a few hundred people on it. You see I have this sinus thing, that I can't really fly with, and well, my company doesn't think I'm responsible enough to tell when I'm not in the condition to fly, and they make me run to a Dr. for a note to stay home from school. Oh and they have to foot the bill, so hence I'm in the ER not under my insurance, so bill me full price for this. As he chuckled, and said, ok, no problem, how long do you want to be out, (three weeks should do it) he wrote the note out, and told me to have a good night..........

It's not hard to get a note.....
Just something to ponder, the pilots are hired to fly the airplane right??? The agents are there to process the tickets, and make sure everyone is on board right??? Catering is there to make sure the airplane gets catered right?? Ramp is there to ensure the airplane is taken care of on the ramp, loaded unloaded, etc. So tell me....where in my GDAMD job description does it say, I must call ops for catering. I must call ops for my release. I must call ops for up to the date weather. I must call ops for dupe seats. I must call ops, when an agent puts 145 people on a 142 seat airplane. I must call ops when the bags aren't loaded/unloaded. I must call ops when there aren't any marshellers. I must call ops, when we called in range for lav service, for that same lav service AFTER the airplane has been sitting on the ramp for an hour. I must call ops, because same time frame, and the airplane STILL isn't fueled.

None of these things are in our job description, and for years, the pilots have made sure things are done (granted for the most part, everyone does their job and it gets done) for those stations which inherently it does not. we call and B*thc for it to get done so it gets out on time, with the supplies and such to service our passengers. Siimply saying, no more anymore....

 

[l8rd8r]

Just like Xmas of '01, the Emergency room dr. that, when came in and asked why I was there. I stated, Well even though I can fly a multi-million dollar airplane around the sky with a few hundred people on it. You see I have this sinus thing, that I can't really fly with, and well, my company doesn't think I'm responsible enough to tell when I'm not in the condition to fly, and they make me run to a Dr. for a note to stay home from school. Oh and they have to foot the bill, so hence I'm in the ER not under my insurance, so bill me full price for this. As he chuckled, and said, ok, no problem, how long do you want to be out, (three weeks should do it) he wrote the note out, and told me to have a good night..........

It's not hard to get a note.....
Just something to ponder, the pilots are hired to fly the airplane right??? The agents are there to process the tickets, and make sure everyone is on board right??? Catering is there to make sure the airplane gets catered right?? Ramp is there to ensure the airplane is taken care of on the ramp, loaded unloaded, etc. So tell me....where in my GDAMD job description does it say, I must call ops for catering. I must call ops for my release. I must call ops for up to the date weather. I must call ops for dupe seats. I must call ops, when an agent puts 145 people on a 142 seat airplane. I must call ops when the bags aren't loaded/unloaded. I must call ops when there aren't any marshellers. I must call ops, when we called in range for lav service, for that same lav service AFTER the airplane has been sitting on the ramp for an hour. I must call ops, because same time frame, and the airplane STILL isn't fueled.

None of these things are in our job description, and for years, the pilots have made sure things are done (granted for the most part, everyone does their job and it gets done) for those stations which inherently it does not. we call and B*thc for it to get done so it gets out on time, with the supplies and such to service our passengers. Siimply saying, no more anymore....

Welcome back now kick some a$$! You guys rock!!

 

[ggiby]

Hey good for you...

I as a f/a am sick of having to ask you the Pilots... to make these calls... Dupe seat??? Well I have to call the Capt... he has nothing better to do then work it out...

catering did not come.... Hey I think I will call the Capt... he has nothing better to do than get off the a/c to see where they are...

No water..... ???
Hey I think I will call the Capt for the third time... cuz hey... I am not to put my big toe on the jetway... to call and check it out...


OHOHOH OHOHOH Bathroom's not dumped.... no paper to wipe w/...hey... use your hands... thats how they do it in third world countries...

I think I will call the Capt.... he has nothing better to do for the umpth time... of trying to do his job and thirty other's...

Are you sick of all of this yet...????

Next Mr. Capt... oh the job every Boy dreams of...

how do you like your Trailway's bus drive job... that you spent 100 grand to educate yourself for????

welcome to this horible world....

when will Doug wake up and smell the roses...???

 

[Redneck]

Dig it!

Rock on!

 

[nostradamus]

And 99 times out of 100, you'd be wrong. Not that it's necessary, as Clue said. As I've said before, the pilots are in the somewhat unique position of being able to make the bottom line of the P & L statement a whole lot lower. And the truly wonderful thing is that nobody can do a thing about it because the necessary actions are all spelled out in the manuals written by the company.

Jim

Very well said Jim. They go by the manual, pilots should too. The pilots just have to go by the book, they did not write it, they should just enforce the rules.

 

[NewHampshire Black Bears]

As a long time participant here at USAviation.com(on ALL the legacy boards), it is ASTOUNDING, as to the large amount of STUPID...REALLY *UCKING STUPID people, who respond with anger, directed towards the pilots, pertaining to this topic !!!!!!!!

Customers/FA's/agents/, ANYONE who is negatively affected( by the pilots using the ONLY tool against management, available to them),.....to you I say, "Direct your ANGER/FRUSRATION to where it properly belongs".....................Towards MANAGEMENT !!!

Desperate times..beget..DESPERATE MEASURES !!!!!

NH/BB's

 

[brokenwrench]

As a long time participant here at USAviation.com(on ALL the legacy boards), it is ASTOUNDING, as to the large amount of STUPID...REALLY *UCKING STUPID people, who respond with anger, directed towards the pilots, pertaining to this topic !!!!!!!!

Customers/FA's/agents/, ANYONE who is negatively affected( by the pilots using the ONLY tool against management, available to them),.....to you I say, "Direct your ANGER/FRUSRATION to where it properly belongs".....................Towards MANAGEMENT !!!

Desperate times..beget..DESPERATE MEASURES !!!!!

NH/BB's

Hear Hear!

FYI:
It is an abbreviation for "hear, all ye good people, hear what this brilliant and eloquent speaker has to say!"

 

[philly rocks]

Now, if the f/a can't put a toe on the jetway, the capt is looking for catering and the one and only gate agent can't leave his position because he is pulling tickets, shouldn't there be a customer service manager on each jetway coordinating problems as the middleman? Qik/shares has multiple seat dupes on each flt so maybe we should go back to open seating in the rear and make everyone's life happier. Everyone has to realize that we each have a job to do and yes, the capt has more important things to do other than seat dupes, catering, lav trucks etc. The gate agent (remember, your lucky if there is one in Philly) is at whits end because the system doesn't work, the upgrade system doesn't work, the flt reconciliation doesn't work. The gate agent is also checking oversized baggage of those who self check at home and get through security with a huge bag, seat dupe and no upgrade. All it takes is one problem while boarding and walah, the flt starts melting down. How about the f/a whose little toe cannot touch boarding bridge, cannot call catering, cannot assist pax with disabilities, cannot lift a carryon bag, cannot call the lav truck....am I hitting a sore spot yet....well, I say equip the f/a with a cell phone and numbers to call to assist them. Not to mention carryon bags taken off the flt and we know there is space in the overheads. I feel that if we all can't coordinate the flt process, well its time to put the numerous managers (which we don't need because they cannot do protected work) in the jetways once and for all. In Philly we call them the clip board monsters. Maybe they should have "job descriptions"!!!

 

[nycbusdriver]

Geez,

That's a little harsh!

Interestingly enough with all of the other Operational Screwups it's hard for this CP to tell which is work to rule and which is the everyday SNAFU that is US Airways Opps. I'm sure the company can tell and that's the important part.

An awful lot of us (CP's) are one your side on this one so don't be so quick to tell us to shove off. Frankly you need our 43% Revenue Premium for the company to afford your raises.

I absolutely do agree that the CP and other FFs are crucial to maintaining a yield advantage, especially in the east. I am fairly certain that this fact is lost on the Tempe nitwit brigade. I also understand that it is extremely difficult to reattract customers once they've "had enough." And I am grateful that many FFs like Piney Bob and Art are trying to keep some semblance of efficiency and convenience in our operation.

However, Doogie and his lackeys will only understand losses. As long as our FFs hang in there in hopes of a turnaround in Tempe's hell-bent initiatives to destroy customer service, NOTHING WILL CHANGE FOR THE BETTER. It will only continue to deteriorate.

Speaking only for myself, I would rather see our FFs leave in droves and plunge Tempe into a sea of red ink for a year or so. Only then will the investors put pressure on the BOD to make changes. It's called "tough love." I don't want to see this company go down the tubes any more than any other employee, but Tempe needs the wake-up call sooner rather than later while there is still sufficient infrastructure to turn things around (a la Bethune at CO.) I would rather see Tempe get a swift smack in the noggin than watch us slowly bleed to death from a thousand cuts. Think of it as smelling salts.

The pilots are doing what we can with a "Do Your Own Job" campaign. We have little other power.

If the FF's would just do an en masse booking away for the spring/summer, Tempe would really get the point we as employees are all trying to make. There is the danger that the FFs would never return; that is offset by the danger that the operation will degrade that they will eventually leave a handful at a time and we will no longer be in a position to reattract them.

So, FFs, help us out here. Give Tempe an infusion of red ink for the spring/summer of 2007. Join us in sending them a message by whatever means we each have at our command.

 

[700UW]

Was is snowing in Tempe?

They are not even in negotiations with either IAM represented group.

They have no intention of settiling anytime soon.

They agreed to an arbitration case even agreed on the arbiter and then went to Judge (I am paid for by US) Mitchell a year and half after bankruptcy exit to stop it.

Dont know what koolade you are all drinking but the company has no intentions of settiling the Mechanic and Related of Fleet Service CBAs.

If you believe they do, I got ocean front property in Tempe to sell you.

 

[DCaf]

Bottom line: This airline does not run unless the pilots follow up on every other departments lacking with a call to ops to git'r done. Sorry if it screws up your work life but perhaps in the long run it will help your cause as well.

Think of all the extra time you will make while waiting at the runway to receive your final weight and balance to be transmitted because the ground staff didn't enter the pax count or cargo weights in the computer. Is that the pilot's job? No!

Perhaps if I was a flight attendant this would be true,
but I'm not.
Your "follow up" consists of calling Ops. That's rough, I know. Didn't you pilots get a new title recently...something like "Departure Control Coordinator"?
Sounds like you're abdicating that responsibility to the Ops people.