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Pilots to start major disruptions

:shock: Now, if the f/a can't put a toe on the jetway, the capt is looking for catering and the one and only gate agent can't leave his position because he is pulling tickets, shouldn't there be a customer service manager on each jetway coordinating problems as the middleman? Qik/shares has multiple seat dupes on each flt so maybe we should go back to open seating in the rear and make everyone's life happier. Everyone has to realize that we each have a job to do and yes, the capt has more important things to do other than seat dupes, catering, lav trucks etc. The gate agent (remember, your lucky if there is one in Philly) is at whits end because the system doesn't work, the upgrade system doesn't work, the flt reconciliation doesn't work. The gate agent is also checking oversized baggage of those who self check at home and get through security with a huge bag, seat dupe and no upgrade. All it takes is one problem while boarding and walah, the flt starts melting down. How about the f/a whose little toe cannot touch boarding bridge, cannot call catering, cannot assist pax with disabilities, cannot lift a carryon bag, cannot call the lav truck....am I hitting a sore spot yet....well, I say equip the f/a with a cell phone and numbers to call to assist them. Not to mention carryon bags taken off the flt and we know there is space in the overheads. I feel that if we all can't coordinate the flt process, well its time to put the numerous managers (which we don't need because they cannot do protected work) in the jetways once and for all. In Philly we call them the clip board monsters. Maybe they should have "job descriptions"!!! :up:

Put on an extra F/A so we can step off the plane. Staffing is at a minimum therefore, when boarding starts all F/A's are to stay on the plane. Since the jetway is NOT part of the plane the F/A would be subject to fines $$ if caught using the phone thats two feet away. An extra f/a (like in the past) could be that middle man. Company wanted to save $$$ so they took us down to minimums WHY, because our good pilots doing the company favors would do the middleman stuff. If the pilots had always done just their job maybe we'd still have the extra staff. The bottom line is as always the company take advantage and pushes the line until some group has had enough. Give us another F/A.
 
Excellent idea, l8rd8r. Won't happen though.
But staffing this airline properly would solve a lot of
problems that have the pilots working so incredibly hard.
 
Company wanted to save $$$ so they took us down to minimums WHY, because our good pilots doing the company favors would do the middleman stuff. If the pilots had always done just their job maybe we'd still have the extra staff.


I must agree. However, the flight attendants have never hesitated to come to/call the cockpit with loads of things that aren't really the job of the pilots. We didn't realize that you all just meant to keep us informed and weren't really asking us to do anything about it.

The puzzling part is that now, when we refuse to do these things for the flight attendants under our "Just Do Your Own Job" philosophy, they get really bent out of shape.

So. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

I suggest you all just stop calling the pilots for these items and tell the people to deplane and solve their own dupe seat assignments. When the agent comes to close the door, tell him/her about your lack of catering or trash removal.

We pilots are happy to accede to your contention that these things are not our jobs.
 
We didn't realize that you all just meant to keep us informed and weren't really asking us to do anything about it.

The puzzling part is that now, when we refuse to do these things for the flight attendants under our "Just Do Your Own Job" philosophy, they get really bent out of shape.

So. Which is it? You can't have it both ways.

Oh my. I have two divorces under my belt that start much like that. LOL
 
THE answer to solving ALL these problems, were just presented in numerous posts, in the last 2 pages.

(ABSOLUTELY)..#1,

STOP blaming each other !!!!!!!!!!(Fsc's/agents/f-a's/amts/pilots.

Just do your job..BY THE BOOK !!!!!!!!!!

#2,
(As Piney Bob has stated),
Let the operation get SOOOOO bad, that the FFers stick it up "Dougies seat", and take their business elsewhere.

ONLY then, will Tempe WISE UP !!

(eventually) the FFers(most) will return.

I DARE any of you, to prove me wrong !!!!!!

ANY TAKERS ?????????????

NH/BB's

(Desperate times..beget..DESPERATE measures) !!
 
Well I have experienced the "fly by the book" on both of my last two trips. Pilots would NOT call the agent for dupe seats. It was annoying but I TOTALLY understood and agreed. I also tried my hardest to get some folks reseated that were seperated. I had no luck whatsoever and they were PO'd to say the least. I sent two sets of folks back up the jetway with their bags. We then had the agent come down ready to close the door with 8 seats open. She said there WERE nonrevs there but the tower instructed her to close and push the flight. Well, the captain said, "That's not gonna happen". Oh yeah there was a elderly gentleman in a wheelchair from 1pm that was still sitting there. It was now 4pm. She was NOT going to put this man on the flight to TPA. Is this what were running here? The captain said he knew she was having a tough time getting the job done due to Shares but these are OUR people and need to get home. Then on arrival last night in PHL around 11:30 we sat out on the taxiway, nobody to marshall us in and then no agent. All of the 26 folks making their connections at 10:45pm didn't make it. As the crew got off we heard all this yelling and commotion. Well, US Airways said it was weather and were NOT giving rooms. My god we sat forever due to US Airways not mother nature. I hope the pilots, agents, rampers, flight attendants and ALL do ONLY what they are to do and nothing more. WATCH this place crumble. The days of "getting it done" are O-V-E-R. I was so embarrased to have that uniform on and I LOVE my job.
 
I was so embarrased to have that uniform on and I LOVE my job.


Divorce yourself of the emotion. Management uses that against you. This is business.

Ice in your veins.

Live by emotion? You will lose.
 
THE answer to solving ALL these problems, were just presented in numerous posts, in the last 2 pages.

(ABSOLUTELY)..#1,

STOP blaming each other !!!!!!!!!!(Fsc's/agents/f-a's/amts/pilots.

Just do your job..BY THE BOOK !!!!!!!!!!

#2,
(As Piney Bob has stated),
Let the operation get SOOOOO bad, that the FFers stick it up "Dougies seat", and take their business elsewhere.

ONLY then, will Tempe WISE UP !!

(eventually) the FFers(most) will return.

I DARE any of you, to prove me wrong !!!!!!

ANY TAKERS ?????????????

NH/BB's

(Desperate times..beget..DESPERATE measures) !!

NHBB,

Most of what you say is spot on, except for the FF's will return. I can assure you we most certainly will NOT return.

Enough is enough, and more than ever, people who have been loyal to this company for a decade or more, have asked us to find a new airline for them.

The revenue loss, if (when) it happens, will unfortunately be permanent.
 
NHBB,

Most of what you say is spot on, except for the FF's will return. I can assure you we most certainly will NOT return.

I take it the crickets are chirping regarding your response to your meeting with Tempe.
 
US1,

No response to the requests as yet. There will be a firm cutoff date announced later today or tomorrow. We are not waiting around.
 
US1,

No response to the requests as yet. There will be a firm cutoff date announced later today or tomorrow. We are not waiting around.

You aren't surprised are you...this is their MO...i eagerly await the announcement of your cutoff...don't give them an inordinate amount of time--they've already had time...it's a shame you wasted your personal time with them
 
I've had at least 7 flights cancelled this past week due crew. has it already started or is it just weather and rest period issues? Nobody is talking.
 
I'd bet it's safe to say crew rest was the issue at hand. I don't think I have had ONE flight arrive on time for our overnight. Even on the long overnights the rest is being cut short. I did an E-190 trip earlier this month and those trips are simply a joke. They know the plane has bugs on every leg yet they have 30 minute turns. IMPOSSIBLE. Flights are being delayed over an hour in the morning for our minimum 9+15 rest. Fleat launch of an hour late and that bird most likely flies late all day trying to catch up. Then the crew catches up only to wait for ANOTHER late bird. The system is severly screwed up affecting the operation, customer, employee and eventually our PROFIT.
 

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