I understand your thought, but the poster in question uses the contract as a meager excuse to not feel empathy for his co-workers.
Recall Rights Extended for FA's
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I understand your thought, but the poster in question uses the contract as a meager excuse to not feel empathy for his co-workers.
FurloughedByAPFA
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You've been dissed by "your own" in private messages to me. You certainly don't represent your group very well.
You have been "dissed" openly - on this site.
http://petitecuisine.com/index.php?action=...WebPageID=16613.
Sincerely,
Furloughed By APFA
whino
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You can keep your dime. Recall extension has already been paid for. AA received 140 million after 9/11 for its share of TWA ownership. That's 1.4 billion dimes....thus speaketh the "whino."
A complete non-sequitur. Federal money to reimburse for the air traffic shutdown of September 11 did not "pay for" unilateral contract changes, except in the minds of idiot Missouri Congressmen. While I'm happy to see recalls of all furloughed FAs, let's face it - the APFA leadership failed in early 2003 when it had the opportunity to negotiate for 10 year or even unlimited recall rights. Congressional intervention to bail out union leadership failures is pathetic.
You really do not think APFA would try to negotiate for extended recall rights for TWA F/As and some AA F/As with JW in charge do you? JW was willing to throw in furlough pay as an added bonus. It was a marvelous opportunity to do some union work, trade furlough pay for other things like extension of recall rights and a few other needed goodies. What did JW get you out of all that failed "negotiation"?
FurloughedByAPFA
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Saturday, November 3, 2007
As a follow-up to yesterday's hotline message regarding a two-month extension of recall rights to our furloughed Flight Attendants scheduled to fall off the seniority list on November 1, 2007, APFA would like to clarify its position. In no way did this move by AA to extend recall rights by two months involve APFA giving up anything in exchange. AA has felt a good deal of pressure from Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri and other Capitol Hill leaders. This came at no cost to APFA, which represents over 19,000 American Airlines Flight Attendants, including than 1,400 furloughed members.
In other words, APFA has relinquished nothing in exchange for the two-month extension of recall rights to over 400 of our APFA members. APFA is NOT opening its contract early to address this or any other issue.
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As a follow-up to yesterday's hotline message regarding a two-month extension of recall rights to our furloughed Flight Attendants scheduled to fall off the seniority list on November 1, 2007, APFA would like to clarify its position. In no way did this move by AA to extend recall rights by two months involve APFA giving up anything in exchange. AA has felt a good deal of pressure from Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri and other Capitol Hill leaders. This came at no cost to APFA, which represents over 19,000 American Airlines Flight Attendants, including than 1,400 furloughed members.
In other words, APFA has relinquished nothing in exchange for the two-month extension of recall rights to over 400 of our APFA members. APFA is NOT opening its contract early to address this or any other issue.
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Nor'Easta
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whino
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FurloughedByAPFA
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More from APFA. (3 HOTLINES in 5 days)
Since when has APFA been so quick to explain?
This Week's Hotline
This is Leslie Mayo, National Communications Coordinator, with the APFA Hotline for Tuesday, November 6, 2007.
As an update to last week's hotline the company issued a misleading HI6 message on Friday that attempted to address AA's decision to extend recall rights for two months for those furloughed AA Flight Attendants set to fall off the seniority list November 1st, 2007. This HI6 message wrongly stated that AA and APFA "will continue to seek a mutually acceptable solution to the issues involved." Last week APFA simply accepted AA's agreement to extend recall rights for two months ending December 31, 2007. In fact, Senator Claire McCaskill, along with several other U.S. Senators persuaded CEO Gerard Arpey to delay allowing the most recent furloughs‚ recall rights to expire. APFA has been encouraging the company to allow this extension for years. Last Friday, the Company apparently changed their mind, no doubt as a result of the pressure they felt from Capitol Hill.
Since 2004, APFA has demanded that AA resolve certain grievances APFA inherited with the TWA-LLC acquisition. APFA has argued that the value of these outstanding grievances could be the exchange for AA to extend recall rights for all APFA members on furlough. The complete history of the efforts by APFA to obtain recall extension beyond five years was carefully explained to our entire membership in the June 2007 Skyword Express (currently posted on apfa.org).
Other that discussing the exchange of these eight grievances for the extension of recall rights for all furloughed members, APFA has and will continue to refuse to discuss any other options - up to and including opening our contract on this subject. This simply is not a possibility!
Since when has APFA been so quick to explain?
This Week's Hotline
This is Leslie Mayo, National Communications Coordinator, with the APFA Hotline for Tuesday, November 6, 2007.
As an update to last week's hotline the company issued a misleading HI6 message on Friday that attempted to address AA's decision to extend recall rights for two months for those furloughed AA Flight Attendants set to fall off the seniority list November 1st, 2007. This HI6 message wrongly stated that AA and APFA "will continue to seek a mutually acceptable solution to the issues involved." Last week APFA simply accepted AA's agreement to extend recall rights for two months ending December 31, 2007. In fact, Senator Claire McCaskill, along with several other U.S. Senators persuaded CEO Gerard Arpey to delay allowing the most recent furloughs‚ recall rights to expire. APFA has been encouraging the company to allow this extension for years. Last Friday, the Company apparently changed their mind, no doubt as a result of the pressure they felt from Capitol Hill.
Since 2004, APFA has demanded that AA resolve certain grievances APFA inherited with the TWA-LLC acquisition. APFA has argued that the value of these outstanding grievances could be the exchange for AA to extend recall rights for all APFA members on furlough. The complete history of the efforts by APFA to obtain recall extension beyond five years was carefully explained to our entire membership in the June 2007 Skyword Express (currently posted on apfa.org).
Other that discussing the exchange of these eight grievances for the extension of recall rights for all furloughed members, APFA has and will continue to refuse to discuss any other options - up to and including opening our contract on this subject. This simply is not a possibility!
After reading some info on the APFA website, it's clear that if the company and the union do not come to an agreement on this issue by 12/31/07, the recall rights for these F/As will expire and the contract holds true.
I think this is AA's way of pleasing all the parties involved. Remember one thing.... agreements do not come very easily at this company and come with a high price tag !!! We shall see...
I tend to agree. AA may be doing the "right thing" for the moment but come December 31 nothing will be changed unless AA decides to go for resolving the above mentioned grievances. AA has no incentive to extend recall rights.
Veritas
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The absence of the IAM from this list is quite telling.
Nancy,
the staffing shortage is a myth. The only time there is a staffing shortage is during holiday periods. I was on reserve all least year in IDF and september in IOR and the average flown for reserves is around 54 hours. I was calling and begging for trips and got nada. I was also checking the list for domestic at both places and there was nothing going on there either.
OP
kirkpatrick
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The company didn't recall because of an inability to staff flights on Nov 8. They looked ahead and saw difficulties in staffing over Thanksgiving and Christmas. This is what drives recalls.
BTW, three LGA sequences went to ORD and three to MIA today.
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