Reduction / Elimination Of Sby

[operaations]

He does make some valid comments here....

Not having stand-bys is going to hurt him as much as us though. Scheduling is going to be scrambling to find f/a's at the last minute even more so now. F/a's won't be signing in until the last moment possible to reduce the possibility of being reassigned. It is just a vicious cycle, but this may backfire on AA.

[post="298749"][/post]​

I agree 100% this is going to make crew sched re assign like crazy. Give the bad news to single mothers and family members that there were planning to go home but now are out for another overnight. Crew schedulers will be personally blamed and attacked verbally and will have to sit and take it. This is soo going to suck

 

[texas2]

SBYs are used daily to back up last minute issues. There are numerous uses from car problems, lost documents, commuter issues, equipment substitutions, miss connects, illnesses, conflict with cockpit crews, weather, missing pants, you name it. I dont see how anyone thinks this will work. There are plenty of other ways to cut costs.

 

[B.O.B.]

This is soo going to suck

[post="299091"][/post]​

Yes, it will for crew sched! Us f/a's are the most creative work group and we will find ways to avoid being reassigned. Just remember, you have to make FIRST PARTY CONTACT to reassign us. So, telling a gate agent doesn't count. If the pilots don't acknowledge ACARS, then we will not know. We're not required to answer our cell phones, in mid-sequence either!!

Have fun!

 

[AC AA LA FA]

yup-this is going to suck....
Is this the first fall out from "The Bain Project?".....I wonder..?

 

[texas2]

Yes, it will for crew sched! Us f/a's are the most creative work group and we will find ways to avoid being reassigned. Just remember, you have to make FIRST PARTY CONTACT to reassign us. So, telling a gate agent doesn't count. If the pilots don't acknowledge ACARS, then we will not know. We're not required to answer our cell phones, in mid-sequence either!!

Have fun!

[post="299264"][/post]​

Spoken like a true FA you must be proud. What you fail to realize is that it is not the company or crew sked. that you crew over. It's your sister FA's that have planned accordingly for a trip that are eventually crewed over and are made to fly something different. If she won't or can't do it the process moves on to the next number on the list. That bus aint going anywhere till someone is crewed. It is a vicious cycle. 😛

 

[nbmcg01]

Spoken like a true FA you must be proud. What you fail to realize is that it is not the company or crew sked. that you crew over. It's your sister FA's that have planned accordingly for a trip that are eventually crewed over and are made to fly something different. If she won't or can't do it the process moves on to the next number on the list. That bus aint going anywhere till someone is crewed. It is a vicious cycle. 😛

[post="299290"][/post]​

This has to be a system wide project. Bringing f/as in at gates that are on the other end of the world won't work, (if you have cleaning responsibilities, lots of whlchairs, and unaccomp. minors). But that being said, most f/as are professionals and in a REAL emergency, will work with scheduling. The operative word is WITH...I have seen PVDs given and then f/as reassigned off all nighters to work more legs. That isn't smart scheduling. Maybe legal but not smart. I flew all nighters for 15 years and was NEVER reassigned until we became AA. The only times I went non routine were the very rare flight cancellations. Not more than 2 hand fulls in my 35 year career.(prior to AA) If reassignments are the norm then there are OTHER problems that need to be addressed like poor sequencing or pairing of flts. Same day flying and pure lines address some of those issues. Not a contractual requirement(shame on the APFA) but still an option. Also, having ALL f/as qualified on ALL equipment, (once again, shame on the APFA AND AA) would help BOTH the f/as and CS. Oh well, what do I know, I'm just a former f.a.

 

[Garfield1966]

Well BOB,

I see you have accepted the fact that it is happening. Did your base chair stop laughing?

When we do an RA odds are it will be on your out bound not your inbound. It is easier all around. We don't have to add flying to a FA skd (not as much any way) and it is easier to get a hold of you. I just tell the gate that the door does not close with FA on board. If I have to RA someone on an inbound I get Flt Svcs to do a meet and greet and it works out fine.


nbmcg01,

RA's do not tend to happen all that much. My guess (and hope) is that w will not see all that much of a change in that. Most folks I talk to when I RA them say "I can't believe this is happening I never get reassigned". So I am guessing it is not the norm. Misconnects are hard to plan for. If you have weather in the system, it's going to happen and there is not much we can do but to play the RA game and pull RSV's from home to play catch up with the holes we make.

The PVD's thing ... well mom said not to talk ill of people who can get you in trouble so I'll hold my tongue (new one for me I know) but suffice to say I agree with you 100% and I fight it every day.

Every FA qualed on every A/C. Ahhhh one can dream. Saw a FA yesterday in DFW legal on 767 and S80 only. That's a crock of crap. There is a down side to your idea though. I am guessing that if everyone was legal on ever A/C then we would not need as many FA's to run the system. I also want to get rid of the Intl/Dom division. A plane is a plane, should not matter where it is going. This is a wish lists that is about as realistic as getting my lost salary back so I'm just not going to depress my self contemplating what could or might be.

 

[operaations]

Yes, it will for crew sched! Us f/a's are the most creative work group and we will find ways to avoid being reassigned. Just remember, you have to make FIRST PARTY CONTACT to reassign us. So, telling a gate agent doesn't count. If the pilots don't acknowledge ACARS, then we will not know. We're not required to answer our cell phones, in mid-sequence either!!

Have fun!

[post="299264"][/post]​

It wont be enjoyable BOB and that was meant to say it will suck for all. I feel for the person. Your attitude is the type of attitude that makes it hard on everyone. You might be the junior legal one to reassign and since you avoid any cpontact or find creative ways to sither out of it. It eventually ends up in the hands of a flight attendant with good work ethic who has children or a sick relative at home. That is unfortunate. I do not wish to reassign anyone but with the chief pilot now in our building the acars get responded to much better now. Happy flying BOB

 

[operaations]

This has to be a system wide project. Bringing f/as in at gates that are on the other end of the world won't work, (if you have cleaning responsibilities, lots of whlchairs, and unaccomp. minors). But that being said, most f/as are professionals and in a REAL emergency, will work with scheduling. The operative word is WITH...I have seen PVDs given and then f/as reassigned off all nighters to work more legs. That isn't smart scheduling. Maybe legal but not smart. I flew all nighters for 15 years and was NEVER reassigned until we became AA. The only times I went non routine were the very rare flight cancellations. Not more than 2 hand fulls in my 35 year career.(prior to AA) If reassignments are the norm then there are OTHER problems that need to be addressed like poor sequencing or pairing of flts. Same day flying and pure lines address some of those issues. Not a contractual requirement(shame on the APFA) but still an option. Also, having ALL f/as qualified on ALL equipment, (once again, shame on the APFA AND AA) would help BOTH the f/as and CS. Oh well, what do I know, I'm just a former f.a.

[post="299319"][/post]​

I agree with you. ll must be qualified on all equipment. Better sequencing. I wish we were able to be more personal when it cam to re assigning but we cant. It ends up being called favoritism and backfires.

and TEXAS is right the plane wont go until we have a person to fly it so if you sneak around the r/a and smile while driving home..just remember you just screwed some other co worker who now has to stay out longer.

 

[Bob Owens]

operaations,Sep 12 2005, 04:01 PM]
It wont be enjoyable BOB and that was meant to say it will suck for all. I feel for the person. Your attitude is the type of attitude that makes it hard on everyone.



Yea everyone should be willing to sacrifice everything for the company you know. And its not the compan'ys fault that they want to screw all their employees either.

You might be the junior legal one to reassign and since you avoid any cpontact or find creative ways to sither out of it. It eventually ends up in the hands of a flight attendant with good work ethic who has children or a sick relative at home.

What makes you think that the one who sithered out doesnt have children or sick relatives? If those other people are willing to put company ahead of family then shame on them. But then again thats what the company wants, mindless committed shmucks that will sacrifice anything,including family, to help the same people who lie and steal from them. When the company lies and steals its "good business" when employees look out for their best interests its "bad attitude".

That is unfortunate. I do not wish to reassign anyone

Maybe you dont but the company does.

but with the chief pilot now in our building the acars get responded to much better now. Happy flying BOB

 

[FA Mikey]

I do not wish to reassign anyone but with the chief pilot now in our building the acars get responded to much better now. Happy flying BOB

[post="299432"][/post]​

ACARS is not first party contact. They can acknoldge message recieved. Does not mean I or any other crew member got it. Kind of like leaving a message on the phone.

 

[operaations]

ahhh Mikey sorry to burst your bubble but acars is first party contact.

I did not say the person slithering away does not have a sick person at home or a child. They should do the sppropriate thing and ask to be removed with a PO ,,,SK....or TM. Dont be spineless and run around like a sewer rat.

 

[nbmcg01]

ahhh Mikey sorry to burst your bubble but acars is first party contact.

I did not say the person slithering away does not have a sick person at home or a child. They should do the sppropriate thing and ask to be removed with a PO ,,,SK....or TM. Dont be spineless and run around like a sewer rat.

[post="299570"][/post]​

This exchange is totally unnecessary. Perhaps if AA had an adult attendance policy which allows for personal emergencies instead of a punative policy, this wouldn't be an issue. Flight crews are in the unique position of having to "schedule" family illnesses or emergencies because they are not in a 9-5 job. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. It seems as if both sides are firing shots BEFORE this has been implemented.
As for training everyone on all aircraft, it could be easily done. For one year, require everyone to "paper train" on any aircraft currently not qualified on..Add one day to EPT to complete door and equipment quals. This is not brain surgery for an already trained f/a. If we can get degrees on-line from Harvard, Duke, Princeton, and many other top Universities, we certainly can qualify on AA aircraft. All we need is course content and a committment to training.

 

[FA Mikey]

ahhh Mikey sorry to burst your bubble but acars is first party contact.

[post="299570"][/post]​

No more than a phone message is.

 

[AC AA LA FA]

APFA HDQ/Contract/Joint Sched Cmte say:
THIS IS FALSE-AND A ONLY A RUMOR
Roy had mentioned it as something to be looked at in the future-
BUT NO PLANS HAVE BEEN MADE TO CXL SBY AS OF YET-
-from the horses mouth-