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AC AA LA FA said:
Like I said, Garfield and friends trying to stir things up with another rumor!
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Like I said, Garfield and friends trying to stir things up with another rumor!
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Garfield1966 said:
1. I never said I accepted the rumor you started. No, he is still killed over with laughter.
2. You should look up that f/a in LAX. She is (was) only qualified on the 727. AA has nothing in place to make any f/a, get qualified on equipment. AA still is required to pay her 70 hours per month (contractual)!!
Now that's a crock of crAAp!AC AA LA FA
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B.O.B. said:1. I never said I accepted the rumor you started. No, he is still killed over with laughter.
2. You should look up that f/a in LAX. She is (was) only qualified on the 727. AA has nothing in place to make any f/a, get qualified on equipment. AA still is required to pay her 70 hours per month (contractual)!!
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...there are "goings on" with regards to forcing quals on f/as....the SFO,BOS,ORD Super 80 proffer....for one is a "back door" offensive on S80 drop qual profferd f/as...
This could all become part of a larger picture-I doubt that there is or will be ANYBODY system-wide not qualed on any A/C flown at base....I know theres more to come on this front-
kirkpatrick
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That's not the way I understand it. If you bid an aircraft you aren't qualified on, that will "trigger training," and the company must get you to DFW to be trained before the bid month begins. If an FA is only qualified on the 727 and that aircraft has been retired, what is she bidding?B.O.B. said:
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jimntx
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kirkpatrick said:
Actually, MK, that is not correct. If you do not have qualifications for a line, you are bid denied if you would otherwise hold it. What the contract says is that "the [trigger] training shall be offered at least once every four months." It goes on to say "that if the training...is completed as offered, the Flight Attendant will be qualified to bid and be awarded a trip selection on such service and/or equipment in the months following the training".
Trigger training is awarded in strict seniority order, but it is the f/a's responsibility to trigger on their bid ballot in the trigger months. AFAIK, no one is automatically awarded a trigger training slot. (I got to go to 777 training because I did one of the web ballots for a class that was being held on a Saturday afternoon and you couldn't get trip removed to attend. There were vacancies in that class. Ya think?
)FA Mikey or Miaami might be able to confirm, but I heard that in the Fall of 2003 there was a big stink at IMA because of bid denial. As I understand it, the MIA-MAD line goes VERY senior. And, all the people who fly it had dropped all their quals except 767 and 777. That month all the MIA-MAD lines had something strange like a 737 turn to the Caribbean added to each line. The "usual suspects" were bid denied because they were not qualified to fly the whole line.
Jim, what was happpening was AA planning added a 737 turn on each MAD line. Anyone who was not 737 qualed could not hold it. On the bid ballot the computer would see ignore any selection that has AC you are not trained on.
The super80 is the only plane we are able to drop qualifactions on. The idea of people being able be trained on only 1 or 2 planes is few and far between. They are very senior and never switched base and have seen all the AC they are trained on retire before them. No matter how senior you are when you switch a base you must be trained on the AC of that base. When I went to MIA, A300, and 757 were required. Miami now requires 737, 757. Now if you want purser training you must also get 737.
The other sad part of doing that and they did with LHR as well, as MAD. Was a WB crew switches to a NB. 1-4 on one crew and 5-9 on another. Position 1 and 5 now require a qualified purser. Even though the 5 is galley 75 hours of the month and purser only 5 hours. Number 10-11 end up with low on time or AVBL days.
Planning makes great lines for a new plane at base. The incentive to get trained. When there are enough people, then BAM. The crap lines abound.
The super80 is the only plane we are able to drop qualifactions on. The idea of people being able be trained on only 1 or 2 planes is few and far between. They are very senior and never switched base and have seen all the AC they are trained on retire before them. No matter how senior you are when you switch a base you must be trained on the AC of that base. When I went to MIA, A300, and 757 were required. Miami now requires 737, 757. Now if you want purser training you must also get 737.
The other sad part of doing that and they did with LHR as well, as MAD. Was a WB crew switches to a NB. 1-4 on one crew and 5-9 on another. Position 1 and 5 now require a qualified purser. Even though the 5 is galley 75 hours of the month and purser only 5 hours. Number 10-11 end up with low on time or AVBL days.
Planning makes great lines for a new plane at base. The incentive to get trained. When there are enough people, then BAM. The crap lines abound.
jimntx
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Oh, ok. So the truth is that they had not "dropped" quals, they were just never qualified on the 737. Either way, it still results in bid denials. Another argument for every f/a should be qualified on every a/c the airline flys.
Dropping S80 quals has never made sense to me anyway. What is the logic behind allowing a group of f/as to become unqualified on the a/c that comprises the great majority of the company's fleet? Eliminating that 10 minutes we spend in the S80 trainer once a year at EPTs can't be saving that much money.
Dropping S80 quals has never made sense to me anyway. What is the logic behind allowing a group of f/as to become unqualified on the a/c that comprises the great majority of the company's fleet? Eliminating that 10 minutes we spend in the S80 trainer once a year at EPTs can't be saving that much money.
Really is saves no time since we all spend the same amount of time there no matter how few or many planes qualed on.
If you have 35 years and only fly 777 and can hold it. Why drag your butt to DFW for training? For me the more AC I have the better for bidding and trading and getting the schedule that fits me best.
If you have 35 years and only fly 777 and can hold it. Why drag your butt to DFW for training? For me the more AC I have the better for bidding and trading and getting the schedule that fits me best.
kirkpatrick
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Thanks for straightening me out. Once again I was confusing the contract I used to work under with the contract I used to used to work under.jimntx said:
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jimntx
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Mk, I got to thinking that with 19,000 f/as, I'm not sure it could be done another way. For instance, there is no possibility that I will live long enough to trigger for Purser training at AA. I know someone at DFW who has almost 20 years. He still can not hold a Purser trigger.
If triggers were automatic on bid denial, all I would have to do is bid a Purser line and the company would be forced to train me out of seniority order. That would not be acceptable to those with seniority. Lord knows at AA it seems to take precedence over anything else--including doing right by more junior f/as. (See also, giving away furlough pay and getting nothing in return.)
If triggers were automatic on bid denial, all I would have to do is bid a Purser line and the company would be forced to train me out of seniority order. That would not be acceptable to those with seniority. Lord knows at AA it seems to take precedence over anything else--including doing right by more junior f/as. (See also, giving away furlough pay and getting nothing in return.)
jimntx
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I didn't say I WANTED to be a Purser. I just said I won't live long enough to bid it. That's interesting, though, that they have to draft Purser trainees at MIA.
However, you have spake heresy, you heathern. With 65 of your own still FORCED to fly at STL and LGA, how could you even joke about someone transferring to MIA?
However, you have spake heresy, you heathern. With 65 of your own still FORCED to fly at STL and LGA, how could you even joke about someone transferring to MIA?
FA's from Miami are in STL!! fix_airplanes
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F/A's on stanby at the airport is a good thing.
As a passenger in Atlanta on DL, my flight was short on F/A. This "missing" F/A was in a holding pattern overhead and would be at our gate in one hour.
DL did not have a "ready room" with any spare F/A's.
So, we waited an hour for the overhead airplane to land.
Now you know why a "good service" airline will have some spare F/A's (and pilots) on stanby at their major hubs.
As a passenger in Atlanta on DL, my flight was short on F/A. This "missing" F/A was in a holding pattern overhead and would be at our gate in one hour.
DL did not have a "ready room" with any spare F/A's.
So, we waited an hour for the overhead airplane to land.
Now you know why a "good service" airline will have some spare F/A's (and pilots) on stanby at their major hubs.
