Republic Deal Complete
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Doug Parker told a colleague of mine last Thursday that he does not believe the Republic – MDA deal will occur and that the new company no longer desires for the transaction to proceed. Furthermore, there is no agreement for the EMB-190 to be placed at Republic and that aircraft cannot be flown at Republic because it violates the America West ALPA scope clause.
The expedited grievance on LOA 91 that requires all of the MDA pilots, their contract, seniority, and ALPA to represent these aviators (I believe) will be heard on August 29 through September 2. Jerry Glass told ALPA that if the union wins the grievance, then the company will honor the award and either all of the MDA pilots will go to Republic or the aircraft transfer will not occur.
Since the company no longer desires for the deal to proceed, could the company intentionally lose the grievance to scuttle the deal? Me thinks so...
In my opinion, Republic and the Teamsters are scrambling because they could lose the EMB-170s, they do not have manning for the additional EMB-170s, they have no agreement with US Airways to fly the EMB-190s, and I believe they could see all or part of the EMB-145 rejected. Furthermore, talks are advancing with ALPA that would permit US Airways to keep the EMB-190 flying in-house and that too oculd kill the EMB-170 transfer to Republic.
Also noteworthy, according to Reuters, today in bankruptcy court US Airways received permission to sell then lease back four B767s and one spare engine to Mountain Capital Partners for about $40.8 million. The lease agreements on the four planes and spare engine provide for a base term of 48 months, subject to US Airways' right to renew the leases on a month- to-month basis for up to 48 months.
US Airways attorney Michael Canning, a partner at Arnold & Porter, said the lease terms give the airline flexibility to return the planes and spare engine as it takes delivery of new aicraft (A350s). At Thursday's hearing, Canning said these asset sales, including the two recent aircraft sales, are expected to garner a total of $250 million. "There are other transactions in the pipeline," he said.
Personally, I do not want Republic to obtain MDA or the EMB-190, especially due to Republic IBT greed due to not respecting ALPA's LOA 91 rights, and my desire to keep US Airways employees at US Airways. It's my hope MDA and the EMB-190s are kept in-house and the Republic deal dies.
Since US Airways is seeking other ways to obtain liquidity, it appears the Republic money is not needed.
Will the MDA sale occur? I do not know, but what I do know is that its US Airways' intention to keep MDA in-house and stop the sale to Republic.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
The expedited grievance on LOA 91 that requires all of the MDA pilots, their contract, seniority, and ALPA to represent these aviators (I believe) will be heard on August 29 through September 2. Jerry Glass told ALPA that if the union wins the grievance, then the company will honor the award and either all of the MDA pilots will go to Republic or the aircraft transfer will not occur.
Since the company no longer desires for the deal to proceed, could the company intentionally lose the grievance to scuttle the deal? Me thinks so...
In my opinion, Republic and the Teamsters are scrambling because they could lose the EMB-170s, they do not have manning for the additional EMB-170s, they have no agreement with US Airways to fly the EMB-190s, and I believe they could see all or part of the EMB-145 rejected. Furthermore, talks are advancing with ALPA that would permit US Airways to keep the EMB-190 flying in-house and that too oculd kill the EMB-170 transfer to Republic.
Also noteworthy, according to Reuters, today in bankruptcy court US Airways received permission to sell then lease back four B767s and one spare engine to Mountain Capital Partners for about $40.8 million. The lease agreements on the four planes and spare engine provide for a base term of 48 months, subject to US Airways' right to renew the leases on a month- to-month basis for up to 48 months.
US Airways attorney Michael Canning, a partner at Arnold & Porter, said the lease terms give the airline flexibility to return the planes and spare engine as it takes delivery of new aicraft (A350s). At Thursday's hearing, Canning said these asset sales, including the two recent aircraft sales, are expected to garner a total of $250 million. "There are other transactions in the pipeline," he said.
Personally, I do not want Republic to obtain MDA or the EMB-190, especially due to Republic IBT greed due to not respecting ALPA's LOA 91 rights, and my desire to keep US Airways employees at US Airways. It's my hope MDA and the EMB-190s are kept in-house and the Republic deal dies.
Since US Airways is seeking other ways to obtain liquidity, it appears the Republic money is not needed.
Will the MDA sale occur? I do not know, but what I do know is that its US Airways' intention to keep MDA in-house and stop the sale to Republic.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Hello mainline flying!!!!!!!!!
It was 4 767s sold and leased back, not 737s.
Judge Stephen Mitchell of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Alexandria signed off on the sale and lease-back of four Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) 767s to Mountain Capital Partners LLC, an affiliate of Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. (GS.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
Judge Stephen Mitchell of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Alexandria signed off on the sale and lease-back of four Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) 767s to Mountain Capital Partners LLC, an affiliate of Goldman Sachs Group, Inc. (GS.N: Quote, Profile, Research)
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330,
You should educate yourself. The MDA deal is exactly NOTHING like PSA/PDT. MDA are airplanes purchased with YOUR retirement, billed as the saviour of USAirways, and we were supposed to get 80 Embraer 170/175 aircraft to fly under the old Patomac certificate. This however didn't happen and the aircraft have flown since day one, under the USAir certificate with the USAir call sign, and are flown by calling (in seniority order) furloughed mainline pilots to come back to work as Captains on the F-28 sized airplane for a wage 30% lower than 737 FO pay. The pilots flying those aircraft vote for the AAA council, hold office on the AAA council, and are managed by mainline managers. The "Republic Deal", is that management and for awhile ALPA (until outside council was hired), wanted to sell the Embraer 170's (bought with your DB plan), for 55 million dollars to Wexford/Chataque/Republic and handle it as an "asset sale" which would cause the re-furlough of half the pilots currently flying the aircraft, and down grade for half of the half that went with the airplanes, a pay cut for every pilot who went, and representation by the teamsters. The toughest pill to swollow is that fact that this would have led to the contract carrier also flying the Embraer 190, a 100+ seat 737-200/F-100 size airplane with a 2000 NM range. A big deal considering that mainline has dropped from nearly 450 airframes in 2000, to something less than 230 by next spring.
Call your ALPA reps, ask them what is going on with USAirways/MidAtlantic division. Ask those same reps why they don't want to include those 300+ pilots in the merger to help push you up from the bottom when ALPA national shows them "recalled AAA in good standing", paying AAA dues, voting in AAA elections, and holding AAA MEC/LEC office.
All the best,
SH
You should educate yourself. The MDA deal is exactly NOTHING like PSA/PDT. MDA are airplanes purchased with YOUR retirement, billed as the saviour of USAirways, and we were supposed to get 80 Embraer 170/175 aircraft to fly under the old Patomac certificate. This however didn't happen and the aircraft have flown since day one, under the USAir certificate with the USAir call sign, and are flown by calling (in seniority order) furloughed mainline pilots to come back to work as Captains on the F-28 sized airplane for a wage 30% lower than 737 FO pay. The pilots flying those aircraft vote for the AAA council, hold office on the AAA council, and are managed by mainline managers. The "Republic Deal", is that management and for awhile ALPA (until outside council was hired), wanted to sell the Embraer 170's (bought with your DB plan), for 55 million dollars to Wexford/Chataque/Republic and handle it as an "asset sale" which would cause the re-furlough of half the pilots currently flying the aircraft, and down grade for half of the half that went with the airplanes, a pay cut for every pilot who went, and representation by the teamsters. The toughest pill to swollow is that fact that this would have led to the contract carrier also flying the Embraer 190, a 100+ seat 737-200/F-100 size airplane with a 2000 NM range. A big deal considering that mainline has dropped from nearly 450 airframes in 2000, to something less than 230 by next spring.
Call your ALPA reps, ask them what is going on with USAirways/MidAtlantic division. Ask those same reps why they don't want to include those 300+ pilots in the merger to help push you up from the bottom when ALPA national shows them "recalled AAA in good standing", paying AAA dues, voting in AAA elections, and holding AAA MEC/LEC office.
All the best,
SH
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Flame Bait !!!
Do your homework before posting rumor. At least A320 uses quotes and actual info in his analysis 🙄
Do your homework before posting rumor. At least A320 uses quotes and actual info in his analysis 🙄
Twicebaked said:
The only "Deal" that has been made is between the leadership of Chautauqua's IBT union and Republic/CHQ management... In that the union at CHQ has agreed to the expansion of JFJ on their property (to be ratified by their pilots)
Big Whoop 🙄
The fact reamins that unless US Airways really wants or needs outsiders to fly the E-190, and is willing to negotiate it from both the U and AW pilots... That right now any E-170's/190's will have to be brought on at Republic ONLY under the provisions of, and contractual fragmentation protection of LOA 91.
No "Midatlantic DOH" for pay AND senority, rather US Airways DOH. No 50% of the MDA pilots, all 100%.
Is Republic willing to accept that, doubt so.
Are the Teamsters willing to accept that, I bet not. I know for one, that if we are brought onto the Republic property, I plan to start an effot to decertify the IBT on the Republic property. Seems like a fair move since they left the AFL-CIO, eh...?
No, my best bet is that the Midatlantic deal has become less and less attractive to Republic/CHQ management.
Future Republic opportunities for E-190's alone (and no MDA), well that depends upon the resolve of the AAA and AWA union leadership, not the willingness of the CHQ IBT to do what they are told.
Big Whoop 🙄
The fact reamins that unless US Airways really wants or needs outsiders to fly the E-190, and is willing to negotiate it from both the U and AW pilots... That right now any E-170's/190's will have to be brought on at Republic ONLY under the provisions of, and contractual fragmentation protection of LOA 91.
No "Midatlantic DOH" for pay AND senority, rather US Airways DOH. No 50% of the MDA pilots, all 100%.
Is Republic willing to accept that, doubt so.
Are the Teamsters willing to accept that, I bet not. I know for one, that if we are brought onto the Republic property, I plan to start an effot to decertify the IBT on the Republic property. Seems like a fair move since they left the AFL-CIO, eh...?
No, my best bet is that the Midatlantic deal has become less and less attractive to Republic/CHQ management.
Future Republic opportunities for E-190's alone (and no MDA), well that depends upon the resolve of the AAA and AWA union leadership, not the willingness of the CHQ IBT to do what they are told.
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MEC Hotline - August 19, 2005
From: JR Baker, MEC Chairman
To: All AWA Pilots
Good Evening, this is MEC Chairman JR Baker with the MEC Hotline for Friday,
August 19th.
Tonight's topics are:
Transition Agreement
Wilson Polling
MEC Meeting
Air Safety Week
LAS Local Council Meeting
CASS Update
Vice President of Flight Operations
Group B-1 Executive Vice President Elections
State of the MEC
Transition Agreement
This week both MECs have been meeting with the company at our ALPA offices
to continue working on securing a Transition Agreement. Items we are
discussing include many of the areas that the company and ALPA need to
understand as we work to merge the contracts and seniority lists. Of
particular concern is protection of flying for both sides and securing and
bringing in-house the E-190 flying. There also may be an opportunity to
capture the E-170 flying. These aircraft need to be flown by our combined
seniority list. In addition, we continue to seek the promised protections
for all AWA pilots that have been stated in Management's Pilot Brown Bag
Lunches. We intend to hold both managements' feet to the fire to get a
Transition Agreement that protects our current flying and jobs, as well as a
framework for economic and other issues as well. At this point we do not yet
have a Transition Agreement negotiated that is acceptable to present to the
MEC members for their consideration. We expect to continue talking with the
management team about this subject next week. Stay tuned for further
developments.
From: JR Baker, MEC Chairman
To: All AWA Pilots
Good Evening, this is MEC Chairman JR Baker with the MEC Hotline for Friday,
August 19th.
Tonight's topics are:
Transition Agreement
Wilson Polling
MEC Meeting
Air Safety Week
LAS Local Council Meeting
CASS Update
Vice President of Flight Operations
Group B-1 Executive Vice President Elections
State of the MEC
Transition Agreement
This week both MECs have been meeting with the company at our ALPA offices
to continue working on securing a Transition Agreement. Items we are
discussing include many of the areas that the company and ALPA need to
understand as we work to merge the contracts and seniority lists. Of
particular concern is protection of flying for both sides and securing and
bringing in-house the E-190 flying. There also may be an opportunity to
capture the E-170 flying. These aircraft need to be flown by our combined
seniority list. In addition, we continue to seek the promised protections
for all AWA pilots that have been stated in Management's Pilot Brown Bag
Lunches. We intend to hold both managements' feet to the fire to get a
Transition Agreement that protects our current flying and jobs, as well as a
framework for economic and other issues as well. At this point we do not yet
have a Transition Agreement negotiated that is acceptable to present to the
MEC members for their consideration. We expect to continue talking with the
management team about this subject next week. Stay tuned for further
developments.
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The US Airways ALPA Transition Coordination Committee is made up of the MEC chairman from US Airways & America West, the MEC vice-chairman from US Airways & America West, and the negotiating committee chairman from US Airways & America West.
The two MEC's are working in concert with each other and leading the joint company negotiations is Jerry Glass.
ALPA is trying to kill the Republic deal and US Airways & America West do not want it to proceed. Republic pilot greed got into the way of the agreement and now it could be killed.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
The two MEC's are working in concert with each other and leading the joint company negotiations is Jerry Glass.
ALPA is trying to kill the Republic deal and US Airways & America West do not want it to proceed. Republic pilot greed got into the way of the agreement and now it could be killed.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
Someone please explain this. It looks like they signed off on 25 EMB-190s to be opperated by an Participating Affiliate Carrier. Did the pilots get to vote on this or did ALPA and the MEC do it on their own? Now your telling me that they want to renig on Letter 93?
TRANSFORMATION PLAN LETTER #93
Aircraft larger than
current Large SJs
(LOA #91):
Amend Letter of Agreement #91 to allow for the flying of EMB-190
aircraft under the same provisions as EMB-170/175 aircraft (other
than the following: (1) rate of pay; (2) subject to a maximum of
sixty (60) EMB-190 aircraft orders; and (3) in the event the
Company orders EMB-190 aircraft and can not fulfill the order, up
to twenty-five (25) of the EMB-190 orders or aircraft delivered may
be sold or otherwise transferred to a Participating Affiliate Carrier to
be flown as US Airways Express), and CRJ-900 aircraft under the
same provisions as, and in lieu of, CRJ-700/701 aircraft (other than
the following: (1) rate of pay; and (2) CRJ-900 aircraft may be
placed at a Participating Affiliate Carrier not subject to the
December 31, 2006 placement deadline); and further provided that
any EMB-190 flown as US Airways Express may not be configured
with more than 97 seats available to revenue passengers, and that the
CRJ-900 flown as US Airways Express may not be configured with
more than 90 seats available to revenue passengers. Rates of pay to
be established under the new equipment clause of MidAtlantic
Airways or other air carrier where the aircraft are to be placed. No
change to SJ Authority of other terms or conditions of Letter of
Agreement #91.
http://www.justplanesense.com/documents/TA...sal_10-1-04.pdf
TRANSFORMATION PLAN LETTER #93
Aircraft larger than
current Large SJs
(LOA #91):
Amend Letter of Agreement #91 to allow for the flying of EMB-190
aircraft under the same provisions as EMB-170/175 aircraft (other
than the following: (1) rate of pay; (2) subject to a maximum of
sixty (60) EMB-190 aircraft orders; and (3) in the event the
Company orders EMB-190 aircraft and can not fulfill the order, up
to twenty-five (25) of the EMB-190 orders or aircraft delivered may
be sold or otherwise transferred to a Participating Affiliate Carrier to
be flown as US Airways Express), and CRJ-900 aircraft under the
same provisions as, and in lieu of, CRJ-700/701 aircraft (other than
the following: (1) rate of pay; and (2) CRJ-900 aircraft may be
placed at a Participating Affiliate Carrier not subject to the
December 31, 2006 placement deadline); and further provided that
any EMB-190 flown as US Airways Express may not be configured
with more than 97 seats available to revenue passengers, and that the
CRJ-900 flown as US Airways Express may not be configured with
more than 90 seats available to revenue passengers. Rates of pay to
be established under the new equipment clause of MidAtlantic
Airways or other air carrier where the aircraft are to be placed. No
change to SJ Authority of other terms or conditions of Letter of
Agreement #91.
http://www.justplanesense.com/documents/TA...sal_10-1-04.pdf
