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Just one more point...again the expedited grievance on LOA 91 that requires all of the MDA pilots, their contract, seniority, and ALPA to represent these aviators (I believe) will be heard on August 29 through September 2. Jerry Glass told ALPA that if the union wins the grievance, then the company will honor the award and either all of the MDA pilots will go to Republic or the aircraft transfer will not occur.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
 
Twicebaked said:
NO, I am not misinformed!!!
This info came from "inside". I doesn't matter if you believe me or not, you will soon see. This info came across my desk and I saw it with my own two eyes. Can things change? Of course, we see it all the time from one hour to the next.
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TwiceBaked,

It is funny how things can come across your desk when you desk is a tray table... You shouldn't be giving inaccurate info. unless you are positive it is true... FLY SAFE!!!!
 
goodgirl37 said:
TwiceBaked,

It is funny how things can come across your desk when you desk is a tray table... You shouldn't be giving inaccurate info. unless you are positive it is true... FLY SAFE!!!!
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You don't know who I am or what ALL I do. Things DO come across my desk smarta##.
 
USA320Pilot said:
US Airways would like out of the Republic deal, a decision has not been made yet on what RJ agreements will be affirmed or rejected (but it is close to being made), and US Airways has the right to ask the court to reject all Republic agreements if it’s in the best interests of the Debtor to do so.
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A reading of the legalese seems to indicate that two things have already happened:

1. The Republic ERJ (little) JSA was affirmed, subject to the 10 or so planes that US can subsequently reject.

2. RJET's SEC filings indicate that US exercised the slot option on 23-June.

I'm not a lawyer, but are they planning on asking the judge to reverse himself? Does the "no givebacks" rule of the yard apply to post-filing agreements? While US has demonstrated that it can screw prepetition contract parties with reckless abandon, postpetition contracts are probably not so easy.

If the LOA grievence goes for ALPA, I can see RJET backing out. Absent that, US is going to have to find a creative way to make Republic go away (since presumably money changed hands when the slots were sold).

Moral of the story? Someone might have torched the furniture a bit too quickly.
 
USA320Pilot said:
Just one more point...again the expedited grievance on LOA 91 that requires all of the MDA pilots, their contract, seniority, and ALPA to represent these aviators (I believe) will be heard on August 29 through September 2. Jerry Glass told ALPA that if the union wins the grievance, then the company will honor the award and either all of the MDA pilots will go to Republic or the aircraft transfer will not occur.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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I wish ALPA's argument was more convincing. Even if the Company is silent, ALPA might lose this one.
 
Furloughedagain said:
This was emailed to me this week:

Shiny-Jet-Syndrome: The Career Killer

<<enter Sally Struthers in front of a black backdrop>>

Sally: "Every year hundreds of children from around the world are afflicted with a paralyzing disease. Shiny-jet-syndrome. SJS."

<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, a 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>

Sally: "Thats right. Today 9 in every 10 young pilots is a victim of SJS. Take Jimmy here. Jimmy is a smart, young man. He was raised in an upper, middle-class suburb. Jimmy's dad was a Delta pilot. Jimmy has been a flight instructor here at Comair academy for 3 weeks now. See how happy he is? See how much pride Jimmy takes in his job?"

<<Jimmy hears a jet engine overhead, looks up at the contrail of a jetliner passing overhead, fade to black>>

<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, summer, the 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>

Sally: "It's now been six weeks since Jimmy started his new job. He has almost 60 hours of instructing under his belt. The symptoms of SJS have already begun to manifest themselves. Jimmy is a victim. He constantly complains about his lack of career progression. With a little over 500 hours total time and zero actual instrument, Jimmy had expected to be flying a regional jet by now."

<<Zoom to Jimmy in the cockpit, sweat pouring from his face, his features twisted. angry, arrogant, frustrated (i/e Anakin before becoming Darth Vader) Fade to black>>

Sally: "A year later, SJS has fully taken him over. Jimmy is a regional jet co-pilot now. Let's watch..."

<<fade in on Jimmy walking through the terminal. He is wearing a uniform of sorts. He is carrying his hat, listening to his IPod, with his backpack tossed over his shoulder. His hair is frosted at the tips and he chews gum as he strolls through the terminal. He see's "RJ" - the Comair mascot up ahead, and thinks of how cool it is to fly for an airline with a big, fuzzy, talking, RJ for a mascot.>>

Sally: "Jimmy looks happy now, he's an airline pilot. With less than one-thousand hours total time though, Jimmy is a burden to the Captains he flies with. His ego is enormous. He feels as though he is a modern day Ernest Gann or SkyKing but without the autopilot and flight director he is borderline dangerous. He is lazy, apathetic, and still angry. He had expected to be working for a major airline right now."

<<camera pans to Jimmy peering outside the terminal at a Boeing 737...and then, an EMB170 taxies out from behind it. A crooked smile forms on Jimmy's lips. Fade to black.>>

<<Fade to daylight. The cockpit of an EMB190. The year is 2010 and Jimmy is a Captain.>>

Sally: "SJS has finally claimed its victim. Jimmy -- for the time being -- is happy. His airline flies an armada of narrow-body, Embraer jets that carry as many as 120 passengers. Jimmy gets paid less today than a city bus driver. He earns less than an Amtrak conductor. On average he is earning more than $100/hr LESS than the major-airline pilots he has replaced. His copilot, Sean, has been an airline pilot for about one month. He is elated to be flying a big-jet for $20,000/yr. As long as his parents continue to send those allowance checks, this could be the best job ever!"

<<camera zooms on Captain Jimmy as he sees a Boeing 757 pass by in Delta colors... Jimmy's vision blurs... he looks again and the paintjob has changed. It says "Delta Connection" now. Jimmy's mouth contorts once again to that crooked smile. Fade to black>>

<<camera fades in on Sally>>

Sally: "Do YOU know someone who is a victim of SJS? Watch for these warning signs! "

Do you know a CFI who has applied at Mesa or Boston/Maine?
Do you know a CFI who is burned out after 6 weeks of instructing?
Do you know a student pilot who has answered an flight school ad for "guaranteed interview with our regional airline partner"?
Do you know a pilot who has purchased a CRJ type-rating?
Do you know a regional-jet pilot who has purchase a 737 type-rating?
Do you know an airline pilot who has taken concessions in order to allow their company to purchase larger airplanes?
Do you know a pilot who believes that AirTran and Jetblue are the "majors" they've wanted to work for for "their whole lives"?
Do you know any member of the RJDC who STILL BELIEVES that mainline pilots are hurting their career expectations?
Do you know any airline pilots who refuse to dress in their uniform as specified by their SOP because "if they wanted me to dress better, they'd pay me better"?
Do you know any airline pilots who carry their hats for 4-days without ever putting it on their head?
Do you know any airline pilots who wear a backpack rather than carry adult-luggage?
Have you flown with copilots who say, "I cant believe they pay us to do this!!"?
Do you know any individual whose first "real" job involved carrying 50-90 people in the back of a jetliner?
Do you know any regional jet pilot who drops the "Express" or "Connection" portion of their airline name while using their profession to attempt to pick up women in a bar?
Sally: "If the answer to any of those questions was "yes" your friend might have SJS. Watch for these warning signs. SJS is a violent and dangerous disease. If left unchecked for too long the entire airline piloting profession will be NEUTERED. It is important to stop it in its tracks. Together we can reach that goal."

"Here at the Jets R' Neat Institute we are researching cures for SJS. We've developed revolutionary cures including:

Make minimum experience requirements to fly part 121 at LEAST as stringent as part 135 minimums -- and make it a regulation.

Shut down all flight schools that "guarantee" interviews.

Raise CFI pay so that pilots are more likely to spend time in that position.

Require that each part 121 candidate have at least 500 hours PIC (not instructor time) operating within the IFR system in day and night, and in all weather conditions.

Preference to be given to pilots who have held jobs outside of aviation.

Bryan Bedford and Johnathan Orenstein to be executed publically at dawn.

Duane Woerth will be forced to watch the execution of the above before being surprised by his own execution. He's just too stupid to be left in charge of ALPA.

Sally: "We've done a lot, but you can help. For just $246 per day you can sponser a flight instructor or regional airline pilot.

For less than the cost of a good-quality, high definition television you can sponser an aspiring airline pilot and show them what life would be like if they actually made the money that major airline pilots used to make. This is the first step in ending SJS."

<<camera fades to Jimmy's Comair Academy enrollment photo. He's shaking hands with mascot "RJ">>

"Jimmy needs your help. Please send your check for $7626/month to:
The Jets R' Neat Institute for the Elimination of SJS
C/O Doctor Sven Rosenstein
Trailer #12
Happy Valley Trailer Park
Coraopolis, PA 15108"

<<we now return you to your regularly scheduled episode of Spongebob>>

This message has been sponsered by people on reserve with entirely too much free time!
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While the author of this poem makes some pretty humorous points, perhaps he should realize that "Jimmy" may not obsess over getting larger airplanes as much as he thinks he does. In fact, I think we discussed this a few weeks back didn't we?

You know that part about "applying to Mesa after being a CFI?" well I know a furloughed mainline pilot who worked for Air Midwest, after being a CFI at a local flight school, and went from there directly to US AIRWAYS. In fact, he used to tell people he flew for USAir when he flew for Air Midwest. I would ask him, "Oh when did USAir get Beech 1900's?" The funny thing is, he now picks on Mesa!

As for "he carries his hat in his hand for days and not on his head" I sat in one of US AIRWAYS' hubs for hours last week and only one out of seven mainline pilots wore a hat. Plus, I did not see one mainline F/A wearing a tie tab. Not one! The closest I saw was one gal wearing a beautiful red and gold scarf with her blazer and white aviator shirt. Is that the fabled new uniform?

Be angry and emotional, but when you pick on us, pick on us with stuff that your colleagues are not guilty of as well.
 
Parker reportedly told the flight attendants and pilots unions last week that he does not want mainline to fly the E-190s, and that Republic and Air Wisconsin will probably get that flying....so if that is the case, then E-170s are probably going to Rep, no?
 
The fact remains that everything is still on the table, and in play...

Republic knows that although they still have the agreement in hand from when US Airways was in a much more precarious position, that long term it is unwise to simply press their rights to do this or do that.

They already miscalculated the labor issues in a big way, and to further mess up the business relationship between their company and US Airways is unwise and unprofitable.

Afterall, CHQ/Republic is not Mr. Bedford's first regional, his experiences dealing with Northwest while at the helm of Mesaba are bound to influence his actions nowadays.

Despite the recent expamples of the "tail wagging the dog" in terms of Affiliate/Legacy relationships... The fact remains that it is still the Legacy carrier that is the primary force in the business relationship, and the affiliate is nothing more than another vendor that can be replaced down the line.

In the "musical chairs" game of contracted regional jet feed, it is a REAL bad idea to sour your relationship with your larger partner. The past enviorment of legacy desperation for the RJ services of any regional carrier has already began to wane, and in the coming years is will dwindle further (meaning taking your jets elsewhere will not be an option).

As the the game goes on and the "music stops" in the future, there will be only so many seats left for the numerous regional jet carriers around. Making enemies today seems like a dumb move for any company that is hoping to have a "place to sit" when the music stops (in the future)
 
realtime said:
Parker reportedly told the flight attendants and pilots unions last week that he does not want mainline to fly the E-190s, and that Republic and Air Wisconsin will probably get that flying....so if that is the case, then E-170s are probably going to Rep, no?
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Really...? Reported where, in what paper, what website...?

Which union reps, which company...?

Feel free to stop making stuff up.
 
Rico said:
Really...? Reported where, in what paper, what website...?

Which union reps, which company...?

Feel free to stop making stuff up.
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That seems very ignorant of you. I am simply referring to a report I read from a Flight International product - see below. The article is very long, but here is the first few paragraphs.


America West union says regionals in line for E-190 flying
Mary Kirby, Philadelphia (19Aug05, 20:24 GMT, 685 words)


America West Airlines’ flight attendants union is reviewing comments from management that any future Embraer 190 operations will likely be conducted by Republic Airways Holdings and potentially Air Wisconsin once the merger with US Airways is complete, and not by the mainline carrier.

Speaking exclusively to ATI, the president of the America West unit of the Association of Flight Attendants (AFA)-CWA Bill Lehman says leadership at America West and US Airways pilot and flight attendant unions met yesterday with the low-cost carrier’s chairman and CEO Doug Parker “on a lot of issuesâ€￾.

During the meeting, Parker “very clearly told us that the E-190 will not be operated by mainline, but will be operated by regional partnersâ€￾, after explaining that it would not be economical for the mainline carrier to operate the 95-seat aircraft.

Lehman says: “It sounds like a combination of Republic and maybe Air Wisconsinâ€￾ will be awarded the contract to fly up to 25 E-190s as US Airways Express, once the merger is finalized.

An America West spokesman insists that officials “really have not made hard and fast decisions about when or how we’ll operate the E-190â€￾.
 
>>An America West spokesman insists that officials “really have not made hard and fast decisions about when or how we’ll operate the E-190â€￾.<<

AWA pilots have the final say about E190 flying. I helped the former MEC vice chairman research the new Embraer jets to come up with the exact figure which is now in the AWA CBA. AWA pilots will not let CHQ, Mesa or even Santa Clause touch an E190 in U/HP colors. Period. I don't know the U CBA too well but it seems the J4J/LOA deal was very specific and limited to the MDA arrangement. I'm sure the U pilots are just as feverishly committed as AWA pilots are to stopping any further encroachment by the juniors into mainline flying. This sh*t is going to stop right here, right now.
 
aquagreen73s said:
>>An America West spokesman insists that officials “really have not made hard and fast decisions about when or how we’ll operate the E-190â€￾.<<

AWA pilots have the final say about E190 flying. I helped the former MEC vice chairman research the new Embraer jets to come up with the exact figure which is now in the AWA CBA. AWA pilots will not let CHQ, Mesa or even Santa Clause touch an E190 in U/HP colors. Period. I don't know the U CBA too well but it seems the J4J/LOA deal was very specific and limited to the MDA arrangement. I'm sure the U pilots are just as feverishly committed as AWA pilots are to stopping any further encroachment by the juniors into mainline flying. This sh*t is going to stop right here, right now.
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Well said. Looks like the union wants members to see the threat, get angry, and fight this plan.
 
What many have missed, is that up to 25 Embraer 190's may be flown outside of MidAtlantic by partisipating affiliate carriers..... If the Embraer 170's are sold as assets, and not as change in control, there is no MidAtlantic and thus the ability to fly "25" Embraer 190's outside of MidAtlantic also does not exist. They are dependant on one another, without MDA, no Embraer 190's may be flown by affiliates.

Thanks to the America West MEC from each of the 322 MDA pilots for being more help in our cause by just doing the right thing, than our own MEC to whome we pay dues each month.

SH
 
Rico said:
"Super" senority, what the heck is that...?

We are looking for no such thing. We just expect what we would expe4ct from any other merger done under ALPA policy. No windfalls for either group, and as fair and equitable as you can make it.

You guys are willing to give only JFJ provisions, which means "stupid" senority. You might retain position, but nothing else. Gee, thanks...

We are not coming onto your property and taking anything from anyone, rather we bring our own aircraft with us, plus three growth aircraft right off the bat (already built), and the ability to add many more growth airframes.

The thing that Galls us the most, is your total lack of memory.

Let me remind you a short while back, when your freaking pilot group begged ours to support your effort to not allow Republic to be created as a separate airline from your pilot group.

We did, and now look what it gets us, you use it against us to slap us to the bottom of your list...  Gee, thanks.

F-ing greed, that is all it is. It is not like we are taking any of your jobs, rather only adding opportunities to you, yet your union would like to steal as many of the seats, and give us no senority for bidding except behind whatever snot nosed new hires your bring on after we show up.

You know, unlike your forgetting how we helped you, we do not forget. And in the future, when the new US Airways is growing and looking for new pilots, we will remmeber the treatment and the disprespect your pilots showed us.

The E-170 nshould be the start of a career, not the high point, keep that in mind.

And as for your management, if they want any of us to come over, then they need to get a clue and stop disrespecting us with "new hire" treatment. We expect notihng less than, nor anything more than what any current CHQ or SA pilot that bids over into the E-170 for transition training gets. Anyting else is plain stupid, because you will save a dime but burn a dollar in the long run.

That's what it all comes down to for both your union and your company's management, We expect respect. Not special treatment nor super senority, just what is fair.
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"Super Seniority": defined as not only bringing US/MDA seniority over for the Republic Airways/US coded flying, but being able to use that seniority on the CHQ pilots' master list to do flying for other codeshares. IOW, coming here and then using your previous MDA and/or US DOH to fly 170s on the UA or DL code, bumping CHQ pilots already doing that flying. That is what ALPA demanded in the FIRST meeting with our EC. Our EC, quite rightly, said there was no chance such an agreement would pass ratification, but DID offer to negotiate an integration better than our current J4J terms.

I've been remiss in not previously acknowledging ALPA's support vs. the first incarnation of Republic. Thank you. I also believe there was some enlightened self-interest on your part to avoid Republic part 1. To recap: this would have been an all J4J carrier flying 145s only with NO union, for less than our last book rates. Think 50/hr for captains and top FO scales of 29/hr. The current CHQ book on 50 seaters is superior to that, let alone what's offered on the 170s (NOT great, but much better than what would have been).

I happen to agree that our management should be treating those who come over better vice the training contract, hotel, etc. I also agree the 170 should be a career starter, not ender.

I'll be vastly disappointed if the current animosity prevents me from obtaining a job with US/HP in the future. That having been said, DL pilots constantly tell us they intend to see CHQ pilots hired rather than Comair when they resume hiring, due to perceived better treatment of their furloughs here than there. Maybe y'all can hire the Comair pilots and we can go to Big D?

I don't think there's really much more that can be said about all this until the arbitration results are in. I'm glad to hear Glass say he will abide by the arbitrator's decision if it's in your favor. That's a small slice of good news for the overall profession. Fly safe.
 
USA320Pilot said:
US Airways would like out of the Republic deal, a decision has not been made yet on what RJ agreements will be affirmed or rejected (but it is close to being made), and US Airways has the right to ask the court to reject all Republic agreements if it’s in the best interests of the Debtor to do so.

The MDA pilot fight has nothing to do with the company’s decision to try and get out of the MDA deal. ALPA’s position is that LOA 91 has to be honored, which is something the Republic/Chautauqua pilots and the IBT refused to recognize.

The reason US Airways is not interested in selling MDA is simple: It is called money. Specifically, I understand the company no longer needs the proceeds from the MDA/slot sale, it does not need Republic’s equity investment (although separate from the MDA deal), the joint ALPA MEC/Transition Coordination Committee's desire to keep the EMB-190 and EMB-170 flying in-house (which could provide a Transition Agreement sooner to benefit the new US Airways and its pilots), and Doug Parker’s stated desire to not divest of MDA.

In my opinion, the Chautauqua and MDA pilots may have shot them self in the foot and CHQDRVR's comments about ALPA's position is inaccurate.

I’m not sure whether MDA will be sold or not, but what I do know for fact is that ALPA is trying to kill the deal and the new US Airways no longer desires to sell MDA. Moreover, I know for fact the decision on what affiliate carriers will see their “fee for service†agreements confirmed or rejected has not been made. The only thing for certain is that Air Wisconsin is guaranteed to obtain some of this flying.

Regards,

USA320Pilot
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I think the question of CHQ's existing small-jet feed for US has already been addressed. My comments about ALPA's position are nearly direct quotes from members of our EC after meeting with ALPA. So either they're misleading me on what ALPA asked for, or ALPA is misleading y'all. Based on past performance I have absolutely no reason to suspect the former.
 

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