Republic Deal Complete
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Well, it is the same company (Republic), and Union (IBT) that assume that no fragmentation protection from LOA 91 exists, that we have a "weak case" in our grievence against such even though they propose buying anything and everything to do with MDA (except for the people that is...), but not "Control"...?
So why not overlook scope limitations once again, just like they did with their American Connection limits on anything larger than 50 seats... 😀
So why not overlook scope limitations once again, just like they did with their American Connection limits on anything larger than 50 seats... 😀
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I agree they need to wipe "Express" off of the side of the plane.
We're really excited at our station, Nov 6th RGG's show E170s replacing Express jets on our routes..... we're also all pro-MDA folks & hope they stay MDA!
We're really excited at our station, Nov 6th RGG's show E170s replacing Express jets on our routes..... we're also all pro-MDA folks & hope they stay MDA!
The IBT at Chautauqua never overlooked the APA scope clause; nor the current AAA/HP clauses. Bedford decided it would be worthwhile to operate the 170s despite having to pay the fines to APA.
As for "decertifying" the IBT if you come on property, well that'd be great. We're not really that happy with Teamsters national, except, oops, we'd have to be UNREPRESENTED for two years after decertifying the IBT. Not a real great option after all.
I hope that my "greed" as a CHQ pilot does derail this "deal". How dare I not immediately agree to having 300 pilots come in with super-seniority at my company. I'm fairly impressed with the stand that AAA ALPA took with my EC, telling us they wanted original US DOH for pay and bidding, and the ability to fly the 170s for UA and DL with their US seniority. That's pretty ballsy, and great looking-out for your membership. Too bad it's the first real stand AAA Alpa has taken on anything in the past 15 years or so. I truly hope all of you get to remain at the "mainline" and tell yourselves how much better you are. Meanwhile I will look up at you from the left seat of my 145 and sob at the idea that I am making 3 dollars an hour less than you, and that I can't steal your "big shiny jet". Man, my life sucks.
Unfortunately for those who try to scare me with threats of losing the existing 50-seat flying as well, um, it's already in the process of going away. Nothing new to report here. However, currently Chautauqua, NOT US has the right of refusal on those airframes.
As for "decertifying" the IBT if you come on property, well that'd be great. We're not really that happy with Teamsters national, except, oops, we'd have to be UNREPRESENTED for two years after decertifying the IBT. Not a real great option after all.
I hope that my "greed" as a CHQ pilot does derail this "deal". How dare I not immediately agree to having 300 pilots come in with super-seniority at my company. I'm fairly impressed with the stand that AAA ALPA took with my EC, telling us they wanted original US DOH for pay and bidding, and the ability to fly the 170s for UA and DL with their US seniority. That's pretty ballsy, and great looking-out for your membership. Too bad it's the first real stand AAA Alpa has taken on anything in the past 15 years or so. I truly hope all of you get to remain at the "mainline" and tell yourselves how much better you are. Meanwhile I will look up at you from the left seat of my 145 and sob at the idea that I am making 3 dollars an hour less than you, and that I can't steal your "big shiny jet". Man, my life sucks.
Unfortunately for those who try to scare me with threats of losing the existing 50-seat flying as well, um, it's already in the process of going away. Nothing new to report here. However, currently Chautauqua, NOT US has the right of refusal on those airframes.
Your information is wrong, you can replace the IBT and not be unrepresented.
Look at AMFA replaced the IBT at WN, they replaced the IAM at NWA and UAL and those employees did not go unrepresented for anytime period.
If you totally decertify there is only a one year bar on representation.
Look at AMFA replaced the IBT at WN, they replaced the IAM at NWA and UAL and those employees did not go unrepresented for anytime period.
If you totally decertify there is only a one year bar on representation.
"Super" senority, what the heck is that...?
We are looking for no such thing. We just expect what we would expe4ct from any other merger done under ALPA policy. No windfalls for either group, and as fair and equitable as you can make it.
You guys are willing to give only JFJ provisions, which means "stupid" senority. You might retain position, but nothing else. Gee, thanks...
We are not coming onto your property and taking anything from anyone, rather we bring our own aircraft with us, plus three growth aircraft right off the bat (already built), and the ability to add many more growth airframes.
The thing that Galls us the most, is your total lack of memory.
Let me remind you a short while back, when your freaking pilot group begged ours to support your effort to not allow Republic to be created as a separate airline from your pilot group.
We did, and now look what it gets us, you use it against us to slap us to the bottom of your list... Gee, thanks.
F-ing greed, that is all it is. It is not like we are taking any of your jobs, rather only adding opportunities to you, yet your union would like to steal as many of the seats, and give us no senority for bidding except behind whatever snot nosed new hires your bring on after we show up.
You know, unlike your forgetting how we helped you, we do not forget. And in the future, when the new US Airways is growing and looking for new pilots, we will remmeber the treatment and the disprespect your pilots showed us.
The E-170 nshould be the start of a career, not the high point, keep that in mind.
And as for your management, if they want any of us to come over, then they need to get a clue and stop disrespecting us with "new hire" treatment. We expect notihng less than, nor anything more than what any current CHQ or SA pilot that bids over into the E-170 for transition training gets. Anyting else is plain stupid, because you will save a dime but burn a dollar in the long run.
That's what it all comes down to for both your union and your company's management, We expect respect. Not special treatment nor super senority, just what is fair.
We are looking for no such thing. We just expect what we would expe4ct from any other merger done under ALPA policy. No windfalls for either group, and as fair and equitable as you can make it.
You guys are willing to give only JFJ provisions, which means "stupid" senority. You might retain position, but nothing else. Gee, thanks...
We are not coming onto your property and taking anything from anyone, rather we bring our own aircraft with us, plus three growth aircraft right off the bat (already built), and the ability to add many more growth airframes.
The thing that Galls us the most, is your total lack of memory.
Let me remind you a short while back, when your freaking pilot group begged ours to support your effort to not allow Republic to be created as a separate airline from your pilot group.
We did, and now look what it gets us, you use it against us to slap us to the bottom of your list... Gee, thanks.
F-ing greed, that is all it is. It is not like we are taking any of your jobs, rather only adding opportunities to you, yet your union would like to steal as many of the seats, and give us no senority for bidding except behind whatever snot nosed new hires your bring on after we show up.
You know, unlike your forgetting how we helped you, we do not forget. And in the future, when the new US Airways is growing and looking for new pilots, we will remmeber the treatment and the disprespect your pilots showed us.
The E-170 nshould be the start of a career, not the high point, keep that in mind.
And as for your management, if they want any of us to come over, then they need to get a clue and stop disrespecting us with "new hire" treatment. We expect notihng less than, nor anything more than what any current CHQ or SA pilot that bids over into the E-170 for transition training gets. Anyting else is plain stupid, because you will save a dime but burn a dollar in the long run.
That's what it all comes down to for both your union and your company's management, We expect respect. Not special treatment nor super senority, just what is fair.
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Rico said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but that problem is because they are flying the DL 170s on the same certificate, right?
If that's the case, it's stupid for two reasons: one because the flying in question is not for Eagle/AA, and two because it only requires a seperate certificate to pull the "end around."
That said, it makes a ton of sense for the -170 flying to stay in house--it's a shame it took the threat of a DFR lawsuit to get AAA ALPA not to toss the MDA guys out with the bathwater....
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ClueByFour said:
Almost - I think the Emb-170's flown for UA were first. But the effect is the same...
ClueByFour said:
Such is AA's scope - doesn't matter that the planes weren't flown as AA Connection, just that they were operated on the same certificate. As for the separate certificate, Republic Airways Holdings has been trying to get a certificate for Republic Air for quite a while now.
ClueByFour said:
I agree. Let's just hope it stays that way - short of Republic waiving the agreement or the judge throwing it out, Republic has the last say on the Emb-170 acquisition.
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BoeingBoy said:
Jim, since you have probably perused the filings with a much keener eye than I (so to speak), did the -135/-145 flying get affirmed already, and is that at US' option going forward or Republic's?
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As far as what I've seen, the schedule of contracts that are to be rejected hasn't been filed. The Republic agreement itself contained affirmation of the current RJ feed contract.
The agreement has provisions for reducing the 135/145 airplane count but not eliminating it - I'd have to review it to be sure but I think that the reduction is US' call as long as the 170 sale goes through.
Jim
The agreement has provisions for reducing the 135/145 airplane count but not eliminating it - I'd have to review it to be sure but I think that the reduction is US' call as long as the 170 sale goes through.
Jim
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BoeingBoy said:
OK, I think it looks like this (although I'm scanning thru the filing pretty rapidly):
1. If US does not exercise the slot option, Republic can exercise the -170 buy anyway, but US can reject 5 -145s from the JSA.
2. If US does do the slot deal, it can reject an additional 5 -145s.
3. The JSA itself was affirmed.
All of these things will (presumably) make it difficult to get out of the -170 deal without paying Republic off in a big way, and dumping the existing JSA (+ or - 10 airframes) will be difficult.
Edited to add: US exercised the slot option on/about 23-June.
IANAL.
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After a quick scan.....
On the existing RJ agreement for the 145's:
"In the event that US Airways does not exercise the Slots Option, at US Airways' option, US Airways shall have the one-time right to terminate up to five (5) of the ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement,"
"Subject to Section 3(e) below and upon prior written notice delivered not later than the Effective Date, in the event US Airways exercises and consummates the Slots Option, at US Airways' option, US Airways shall have the one-time right to terminate five (5) ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement"
[So either way, US can terminate 5 E-145's except as provided later on]
"Subject to Section 3(e) below, in the event US Airways exercises its option to cause Republic to acquire the Growth Aircraft (and the parties reach agreement on the delivery dates and other terms and conditions with respect to such Growth Aircraft), US Airways shall have the right to terminate two (2) ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement for every five (5) Growth Aircraft flown under the New Jet Service Agreement"
[Presumably, "Growth" aircraft would be null & void unless the current 170's are sold/leases transferred, plus there is the same exception as above]
"At any time and from time to time during the period in which US Airways has the right to terminate ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement under any of Section 3(a), Section 3(B), Section 3© or Section 3(g) of this Exhibit C, Chautauqua shall have the right to deliver to US Airways written notice (a "Preliminary Chautauqua Termination Notice") that it desires to terminate up to an aggregate number of ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement that does not exceed fifteen (15) less any such aircraft that have been previously terminated under Section 3(a), Section 3(B), Section 3© or Section 3(g) or this Section 3(d). Within 10 Business Days of receipt of a Preliminary Chautauqua Termination Notice, US Airways shall have the right to notify Chautauqua as to whether it accepts or rejects (which acceptance or rejection may be as to all, some or none of the aircraft designated for termination by Chautauqua in such Preliminary Chautauqua Termination Notice) Chautauqua's Preliminary Chautauqua Termination Notice."
[CHQ can terminate up to 15 E-145's - less any terminated as above - with US approval]
[And the exception mentioned above or "the dreaded 3(E)"]
"US Airways shall not have the right to terminate ERJ-145 aircraft as provided for in Sections 3(B) and 3© of this Exhibit C in the event and for so long as US Airways is then flying regional jet aircraft directly or indirectly owned by any aircraft supplier other than (a) Air Wisconsin Airline Corporation, under the Air Wisconsin Jet Service Agreement (up to a maximum of 70 aircraft) or (B) any other aircraft supplier flying 50-seater aircraft that makes an equity investment in connection with the Plan in the Company which equates to at least [REDACTED] in each aircraft in such aircraft supplier’s fleet then flying for US Airways; provided, however, that with respect any such other aircraft supplier, at such time as US Airways has reduced the size of such other aircraft supplier’s 50-seater fleet being operated by US Airways to a point where such other aircraft supplier’s investment in US Airways equates to at least [REDACTED] per aircraft, then US Airways may thereafter terminate ERJ-145 aircraft of Chautauqua under the Existing Jet Service Agreement pursuant to Sections (3)(B) and (3)© of this Exhibit C in proportion to the rate at which US Airways terminates the remaining 50-seater fleet of such other aircraft supplier."
[Finally, the existing RJ agreements affirmation]
"Definitive Existing Jet Service Agreement. As soon as reasonably practicable after the entry by the Bankruptcy Court of the Omnibus Order, the Company and the Investor shall and shall cause their respective applicable Affiliates to enter into the definitive Existing Jet Service Agreement."
Jim
[edit - you're quicker than I am...]
On the existing RJ agreement for the 145's:
"In the event that US Airways does not exercise the Slots Option, at US Airways' option, US Airways shall have the one-time right to terminate up to five (5) of the ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement,"
"Subject to Section 3(e) below and upon prior written notice delivered not later than the Effective Date, in the event US Airways exercises and consummates the Slots Option, at US Airways' option, US Airways shall have the one-time right to terminate five (5) ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement"
[So either way, US can terminate 5 E-145's except as provided later on]
"Subject to Section 3(e) below, in the event US Airways exercises its option to cause Republic to acquire the Growth Aircraft (and the parties reach agreement on the delivery dates and other terms and conditions with respect to such Growth Aircraft), US Airways shall have the right to terminate two (2) ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement for every five (5) Growth Aircraft flown under the New Jet Service Agreement"
[Presumably, "Growth" aircraft would be null & void unless the current 170's are sold/leases transferred, plus there is the same exception as above]
"At any time and from time to time during the period in which US Airways has the right to terminate ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement under any of Section 3(a), Section 3(B), Section 3© or Section 3(g) of this Exhibit C, Chautauqua shall have the right to deliver to US Airways written notice (a "Preliminary Chautauqua Termination Notice") that it desires to terminate up to an aggregate number of ERJ-145 aircraft flown under the Existing Jet Service Agreement that does not exceed fifteen (15) less any such aircraft that have been previously terminated under Section 3(a), Section 3(B), Section 3© or Section 3(g) or this Section 3(d). Within 10 Business Days of receipt of a Preliminary Chautauqua Termination Notice, US Airways shall have the right to notify Chautauqua as to whether it accepts or rejects (which acceptance or rejection may be as to all, some or none of the aircraft designated for termination by Chautauqua in such Preliminary Chautauqua Termination Notice) Chautauqua's Preliminary Chautauqua Termination Notice."
[CHQ can terminate up to 15 E-145's - less any terminated as above - with US approval]
[And the exception mentioned above or "the dreaded 3(E)"]
"US Airways shall not have the right to terminate ERJ-145 aircraft as provided for in Sections 3(B) and 3© of this Exhibit C in the event and for so long as US Airways is then flying regional jet aircraft directly or indirectly owned by any aircraft supplier other than (a) Air Wisconsin Airline Corporation, under the Air Wisconsin Jet Service Agreement (up to a maximum of 70 aircraft) or (B) any other aircraft supplier flying 50-seater aircraft that makes an equity investment in connection with the Plan in the Company which equates to at least [REDACTED] in each aircraft in such aircraft supplier’s fleet then flying for US Airways; provided, however, that with respect any such other aircraft supplier, at such time as US Airways has reduced the size of such other aircraft supplier’s 50-seater fleet being operated by US Airways to a point where such other aircraft supplier’s investment in US Airways equates to at least [REDACTED] per aircraft, then US Airways may thereafter terminate ERJ-145 aircraft of Chautauqua under the Existing Jet Service Agreement pursuant to Sections (3)(B) and (3)© of this Exhibit C in proportion to the rate at which US Airways terminates the remaining 50-seater fleet of such other aircraft supplier."
[Finally, the existing RJ agreements affirmation]
"Definitive Existing Jet Service Agreement. As soon as reasonably practicable after the entry by the Bankruptcy Court of the Omnibus Order, the Company and the Investor shall and shall cause their respective applicable Affiliates to enter into the definitive Existing Jet Service Agreement."
Jim
[edit - you're quicker than I am...]
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This was emailed to me this week:
Shiny-Jet-Syndrome: The Career Killer
<<enter Sally Struthers in front of a black backdrop>>
Sally: "Every year hundreds of children from around the world are afflicted with a paralyzing disease. Shiny-jet-syndrome. SJS."
<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, a 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>
Sally: "Thats right. Today 9 in every 10 young pilots is a victim of SJS. Take Jimmy here. Jimmy is a smart, young man. He was raised in an upper, middle-class suburb. Jimmy's dad was a Delta pilot. Jimmy has been a flight instructor here at Comair academy for 3 weeks now. See how happy he is? See how much pride Jimmy takes in his job?"
<<Jimmy hears a jet engine overhead, looks up at the contrail of a jetliner passing overhead, fade to black>>
<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, summer, the 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>
Sally: "It's now been six weeks since Jimmy started his new job. He has almost 60 hours of instructing under his belt. The symptoms of SJS have already begun to manifest themselves. Jimmy is a victim. He constantly complains about his lack of career progression. With a little over 500 hours total time and zero actual instrument, Jimmy had expected to be flying a regional jet by now."
<<Zoom to Jimmy in the cockpit, sweat pouring from his face, his features twisted. angry, arrogant, frustrated (i/e Anakin before becoming Darth Vader) Fade to black>>
Sally: "A year later, SJS has fully taken him over. Jimmy is a regional jet co-pilot now. Let's watch..."
<<fade in on Jimmy walking through the terminal. He is wearing a uniform of sorts. He is carrying his hat, listening to his IPod, with his backpack tossed over his shoulder. His hair is frosted at the tips and he chews gum as he strolls through the terminal. He see's "RJ" - the Comair mascot up ahead, and thinks of how cool it is to fly for an airline with a big, fuzzy, talking, RJ for a mascot.>>
Sally: "Jimmy looks happy now, he's an airline pilot. With less than one-thousand hours total time though, Jimmy is a burden to the Captains he flies with. His ego is enormous. He feels as though he is a modern day Ernest Gann or SkyKing but without the autopilot and flight director he is borderline dangerous. He is lazy, apathetic, and still angry. He had expected to be working for a major airline right now."
<<camera pans to Jimmy peering outside the terminal at a Boeing 737...and then, an EMB170 taxies out from behind it. A crooked smile forms on Jimmy's lips. Fade to black.>>
<<Fade to daylight. The cockpit of an EMB190. The year is 2010 and Jimmy is a Captain.>>
Sally: "SJS has finally claimed its victim. Jimmy -- for the time being -- is happy. His airline flies an armada of narrow-body, Embraer jets that carry as many as 120 passengers. Jimmy gets paid less today than a city bus driver. He earns less than an Amtrak conductor. On average he is earning more than $100/hr LESS than the major-airline pilots he has replaced. His copilot, Sean, has been an airline pilot for about one month. He is elated to be flying a big-jet for $20,000/yr. As long as his parents continue to send those allowance checks, this could be the best job ever!"
<<camera zooms on Captain Jimmy as he sees a Boeing 757 pass by in Delta colors... Jimmy's vision blurs... he looks again and the paintjob has changed. It says "Delta Connection" now. Jimmy's mouth contorts once again to that crooked smile. Fade to black>>
<<camera fades in on Sally>>
Sally: "Do YOU know someone who is a victim of SJS? Watch for these warning signs! "
Do you know a CFI who has applied at Mesa or Boston/Maine?
Do you know a CFI who is burned out after 6 weeks of instructing?
Do you know a student pilot who has answered an flight school ad for "guaranteed interview with our regional airline partner"?
Do you know a pilot who has purchased a CRJ type-rating?
Do you know a regional-jet pilot who has purchase a 737 type-rating?
Do you know an airline pilot who has taken concessions in order to allow their company to purchase larger airplanes?
Do you know a pilot who believes that AirTran and Jetblue are the "majors" they've wanted to work for for "their whole lives"?
Do you know any member of the RJDC who STILL BELIEVES that mainline pilots are hurting their career expectations?
Do you know any airline pilots who refuse to dress in their uniform as specified by their SOP because "if they wanted me to dress better, they'd pay me better"?
Do you know any airline pilots who carry their hats for 4-days without ever putting it on their head?
Do you know any airline pilots who wear a backpack rather than carry adult-luggage?
Have you flown with copilots who say, "I cant believe they pay us to do this!!"?
Do you know any individual whose first "real" job involved carrying 50-90 people in the back of a jetliner?
Do you know any regional jet pilot who drops the "Express" or "Connection" portion of their airline name while using their profession to attempt to pick up women in a bar?
Sally: "If the answer to any of those questions was "yes" your friend might have SJS. Watch for these warning signs. SJS is a violent and dangerous disease. If left unchecked for too long the entire airline piloting profession will be NEUTERED. It is important to stop it in its tracks. Together we can reach that goal."
"Here at the Jets R' Neat Institute we are researching cures for SJS. We've developed revolutionary cures including:
Make minimum experience requirements to fly part 121 at LEAST as stringent as part 135 minimums -- and make it a regulation.
Shut down all flight schools that "guarantee" interviews.
Raise CFI pay so that pilots are more likely to spend time in that position.
Require that each part 121 candidate have at least 500 hours PIC (not instructor time) operating within the IFR system in day and night, and in all weather conditions.
Preference to be given to pilots who have held jobs outside of aviation.
Bryan Bedford and Johnathan Orenstein to be executed publically at dawn.
Duane Woerth will be forced to watch the execution of the above before being surprised by his own execution. He's just too stupid to be left in charge of ALPA.
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"Jimmy needs your help. Please send your check for $7626/month to:
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<<we now return you to your regularly scheduled episode of Spongebob>>
This message has been sponsered by people on reserve with entirely too much free time!
Shiny-Jet-Syndrome: The Career Killer
<<enter Sally Struthers in front of a black backdrop>>
Sally: "Every year hundreds of children from around the world are afflicted with a paralyzing disease. Shiny-jet-syndrome. SJS."
<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, a 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>
Sally: "Thats right. Today 9 in every 10 young pilots is a victim of SJS. Take Jimmy here. Jimmy is a smart, young man. He was raised in an upper, middle-class suburb. Jimmy's dad was a Delta pilot. Jimmy has been a flight instructor here at Comair academy for 3 weeks now. See how happy he is? See how much pride Jimmy takes in his job?"
<<Jimmy hears a jet engine overhead, looks up at the contrail of a jetliner passing overhead, fade to black>>
<<Fade to daylight. Sanford Airport, Comair academy, summer, the 19 year old CFI climbing into a Seminole with his student>>
Sally: "It's now been six weeks since Jimmy started his new job. He has almost 60 hours of instructing under his belt. The symptoms of SJS have already begun to manifest themselves. Jimmy is a victim. He constantly complains about his lack of career progression. With a little over 500 hours total time and zero actual instrument, Jimmy had expected to be flying a regional jet by now."
<<Zoom to Jimmy in the cockpit, sweat pouring from his face, his features twisted. angry, arrogant, frustrated (i/e Anakin before becoming Darth Vader) Fade to black>>
Sally: "A year later, SJS has fully taken him over. Jimmy is a regional jet co-pilot now. Let's watch..."
<<fade in on Jimmy walking through the terminal. He is wearing a uniform of sorts. He is carrying his hat, listening to his IPod, with his backpack tossed over his shoulder. His hair is frosted at the tips and he chews gum as he strolls through the terminal. He see's "RJ" - the Comair mascot up ahead, and thinks of how cool it is to fly for an airline with a big, fuzzy, talking, RJ for a mascot.>>
Sally: "Jimmy looks happy now, he's an airline pilot. With less than one-thousand hours total time though, Jimmy is a burden to the Captains he flies with. His ego is enormous. He feels as though he is a modern day Ernest Gann or SkyKing but without the autopilot and flight director he is borderline dangerous. He is lazy, apathetic, and still angry. He had expected to be working for a major airline right now."
<<camera pans to Jimmy peering outside the terminal at a Boeing 737...and then, an EMB170 taxies out from behind it. A crooked smile forms on Jimmy's lips. Fade to black.>>
<<Fade to daylight. The cockpit of an EMB190. The year is 2010 and Jimmy is a Captain.>>
Sally: "SJS has finally claimed its victim. Jimmy -- for the time being -- is happy. His airline flies an armada of narrow-body, Embraer jets that carry as many as 120 passengers. Jimmy gets paid less today than a city bus driver. He earns less than an Amtrak conductor. On average he is earning more than $100/hr LESS than the major-airline pilots he has replaced. His copilot, Sean, has been an airline pilot for about one month. He is elated to be flying a big-jet for $20,000/yr. As long as his parents continue to send those allowance checks, this could be the best job ever!"
<<camera zooms on Captain Jimmy as he sees a Boeing 757 pass by in Delta colors... Jimmy's vision blurs... he looks again and the paintjob has changed. It says "Delta Connection" now. Jimmy's mouth contorts once again to that crooked smile. Fade to black>>
<<camera fades in on Sally>>
Sally: "Do YOU know someone who is a victim of SJS? Watch for these warning signs! "
Do you know a CFI who has applied at Mesa or Boston/Maine?
Do you know a CFI who is burned out after 6 weeks of instructing?
Do you know a student pilot who has answered an flight school ad for "guaranteed interview with our regional airline partner"?
Do you know a pilot who has purchased a CRJ type-rating?
Do you know a regional-jet pilot who has purchase a 737 type-rating?
Do you know an airline pilot who has taken concessions in order to allow their company to purchase larger airplanes?
Do you know a pilot who believes that AirTran and Jetblue are the "majors" they've wanted to work for for "their whole lives"?
Do you know any member of the RJDC who STILL BELIEVES that mainline pilots are hurting their career expectations?
Do you know any airline pilots who refuse to dress in their uniform as specified by their SOP because "if they wanted me to dress better, they'd pay me better"?
Do you know any airline pilots who carry their hats for 4-days without ever putting it on their head?
Do you know any airline pilots who wear a backpack rather than carry adult-luggage?
Have you flown with copilots who say, "I cant believe they pay us to do this!!"?
Do you know any individual whose first "real" job involved carrying 50-90 people in the back of a jetliner?
Do you know any regional jet pilot who drops the "Express" or "Connection" portion of their airline name while using their profession to attempt to pick up women in a bar?
Sally: "If the answer to any of those questions was "yes" your friend might have SJS. Watch for these warning signs. SJS is a violent and dangerous disease. If left unchecked for too long the entire airline piloting profession will be NEUTERED. It is important to stop it in its tracks. Together we can reach that goal."
"Here at the Jets R' Neat Institute we are researching cures for SJS. We've developed revolutionary cures including:
Make minimum experience requirements to fly part 121 at LEAST as stringent as part 135 minimums -- and make it a regulation.
Shut down all flight schools that "guarantee" interviews.
Raise CFI pay so that pilots are more likely to spend time in that position.
Require that each part 121 candidate have at least 500 hours PIC (not instructor time) operating within the IFR system in day and night, and in all weather conditions.
Preference to be given to pilots who have held jobs outside of aviation.
Bryan Bedford and Johnathan Orenstein to be executed publically at dawn.
Duane Woerth will be forced to watch the execution of the above before being surprised by his own execution. He's just too stupid to be left in charge of ALPA.
Sally: "We've done a lot, but you can help. For just $246 per day you can sponser a flight instructor or regional airline pilot.
For less than the cost of a good-quality, high definition television you can sponser an aspiring airline pilot and show them what life would be like if they actually made the money that major airline pilots used to make. This is the first step in ending SJS."
<<camera fades to Jimmy's Comair Academy enrollment photo. He's shaking hands with mascot "RJ">>
"Jimmy needs your help. Please send your check for $7626/month to:
The Jets R' Neat Institute for the Elimination of SJS
C/O Doctor Sven Rosenstein
Trailer #12
Happy Valley Trailer Park
Coraopolis, PA 15108"
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Twicebaked
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DCAflyer said:
NO, I am not misinformed!!!
This info came from "inside". I doesn't matter if you believe me or not, you will soon see. This info came across my desk and I saw it with my own two eyes. Can things change? Of course, we see it all the time from one hour to the next.
USA320Pilot
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US Airways would like out of the Republic deal, a decision has not been made yet on what RJ agreements will be affirmed or rejected (but it is close to being made), and US Airways has the right to ask the court to reject all Republic agreements if it’s in the best interests of the Debtor to do so.
The MDA pilot fight has nothing to do with the company’s decision to try and get out of the MDA deal. ALPA’s position is that LOA 91 has to be honored, which is something the Republic/Chautauqua pilots and the IBT refused to recognize.
The reason US Airways is not interested in selling MDA is simple: It is called money. Specifically, I understand the company no longer needs the proceeds from the MDA/slot sale, it does not need Republic’s equity investment (although separate from the MDA deal), the joint ALPA MEC/Transition Coordination Committee's desire to keep the EMB-190 and EMB-170 flying in-house (which could provide a Transition Agreement sooner to benefit the new US Airways and its pilots), and Doug Parker’s stated desire to not divest of MDA.
In my opinion, the Chautauqua and MDA pilots may have shot them self in the foot and CHQDRVR's comments about ALPA's position is inaccurate.
I’m not sure whether MDA will be sold or not, but what I do know for fact is that ALPA is trying to kill the deal and the new US Airways no longer desires to sell MDA. Moreover, I know for fact the decision on what affiliate carriers will see their “fee for service†agreements confirmed or rejected has not been made. The only thing for certain is that Air Wisconsin is guaranteed to obtain some of this flying.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
The MDA pilot fight has nothing to do with the company’s decision to try and get out of the MDA deal. ALPA’s position is that LOA 91 has to be honored, which is something the Republic/Chautauqua pilots and the IBT refused to recognize.
The reason US Airways is not interested in selling MDA is simple: It is called money. Specifically, I understand the company no longer needs the proceeds from the MDA/slot sale, it does not need Republic’s equity investment (although separate from the MDA deal), the joint ALPA MEC/Transition Coordination Committee's desire to keep the EMB-190 and EMB-170 flying in-house (which could provide a Transition Agreement sooner to benefit the new US Airways and its pilots), and Doug Parker’s stated desire to not divest of MDA.
In my opinion, the Chautauqua and MDA pilots may have shot them self in the foot and CHQDRVR's comments about ALPA's position is inaccurate.
I’m not sure whether MDA will be sold or not, but what I do know for fact is that ALPA is trying to kill the deal and the new US Airways no longer desires to sell MDA. Moreover, I know for fact the decision on what affiliate carriers will see their “fee for service†agreements confirmed or rejected has not been made. The only thing for certain is that Air Wisconsin is guaranteed to obtain some of this flying.
Regards,
USA320Pilot
