RNC

[southwind]

To pump life into the convention and try to get some one to watch (which I haven't seen anyone admitting to here) the RNC turns to Hollywood.

Clint Eastwood, the 82 year-old film hero is coming. Tight security will prevent Eastwood from bearing arms and practicing his specialty.

Lets get this party started!!!!!

Someone forgot to mention he was a politician.

BTW, I watched Ann Romney, Chris Christie, Marco Rubio, Clint and Mitt. Ann and Marco knocked it out of the park ! And all 82 years of Clint Eastwood was fantastic !

Oh, saw Michell on Letterman the other night...............................again ! I think Barrack and Clooney had a date !

 

[Ifly2]

"Where the hell did 30% come from...........oh, fuzzy math "

Actually, it came from the FairTax.org website that you cited.

Another question:

The website says that all the corporate/payroll, etc., taxes that corporations and businesses pay are built into the price of goods and services... It implies that prices would be lower if this weren't true. Ok, so far, so good.

When all those taxes disappear, and teh consumer is paying the tax upfront, are the prices of those goods and services going to come down, or is the consumer just going to be stuck with the 30% higher actual cost of everything they buy?(Yes, it is, a $77 dollar item will cost $100, plus any state/local sales taxes... as explained on FairTax.org.)

For retired folks living on slim retirements and SS, who spend everything they take in just ot make it, the prebate nowhere near covers the 30% tax they will now pay on those necessary things like food, clothing, gas, and, usually, especially medicine.

What exactly is included? College Tuition? Utilities?

What I don't see is any mechanism to rein in government spending. I see an automatic adjustment to just raise the sales tax however much is dictated by some formula, to cover whatever Congress decides to spend.

That is not a good thing

I'm impressed actually... and that is why I have taken the time to actually read and do some research, and give it some thought.

That doesn't mean soemene, or, really, everyone, shouldn't ask some tough questions.

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Julia?

This is the destiny, the future of our sons and daughters, the slavery of entitlements, the soft bigotry of low expectation.

I assume you know Sandra Fluke? Let’s review, 31 year old white female who graduated, cum laude from Cornell University with a law degree (what the left would refer to as a 1 percenter, if, er, she were Republican).

She wants me to chip in 10 bucks a month so she can buy birth control, and I don’t even get a reach around!

 

[Kev3188]

Thanks. Hadn't seen that before.

Yes I know who Sandra Fluke is...

 

[Knotbuyinit]

Julia?

This is the destiny, the future of our sons and daughters, the slavery of entitlements, the soft bigotry of low expectations.

I assume you know Sandra Fluke? Let’s review, 31 year old white female, graduated cum laude from Cornell University with a law degree (what the left would refer to as a 1 percenter if, er, she were Republican).

She wants me the chip in 10 bucks a month so she can buy birth control, and I don’t even get a reach around.

 

[southwind]

Do you understand what the current imbedded taxes are on, let's say, a new car?
A steel mill that makes the steel, pays taxes on producing that steel. The plastic factory pays taxes to produce plastic ! And so on and so on!
Now, you don't think they're going to just pay those taxes at a loss do you? Nope............they pass the cost of that tax onto Ford, Chevy, etc.
Now Ford, Chevy and etc. are also taxed, manufacturing that car.............what do they do now?...........pass that tax liability onto the customer.

In the Fair Tax Study, it was determined that 22-23% of the cost of a final products price, were taxes paid by the various venders, in the manufacturing of that product, that was then passed on to the consumer.

Remove the imbedded, see above, taxes and insert the 23% fair tax.

As far as , lets say Ford, jacking they're prices up, that's not the way the free market works, especially when Chevy says, "We'll keep our prices low !

Besides, I'd like to my "Entire" check, sans state tax, every pay day, and determine what items I was willing to pay taxes on and knowing, "Exactly" how much tax I was paying before I bought !

 

[Ifly2]

I understand all that

Do you think that "the day" the embedded taxes disappear, and the 30% sales tax kicks in, the manufacturers and retailers are going to suddenly drop thier prices to reflect those embedded tax costs having been removed?

Are lenders going to be willing to lend on the tax, on say a car or house, or other big ticket item, knowing that the collateral is really only worth the 77%?

What will that, not to mention the mere fact of consumers having to shell out the cash, do to consumer behavior?

I said before, a more thrifty, or careful, consumer population is probably a good thing, long term. What kind of a "shock" would the implementation and transition have on the economy?

That may be the second largest political obstacle, the first being that theBig Money, and the political system, have a vested interest in thier ability to manipulate the tax code

 

[Ms Tree]

Still time to give obama his pink slip. He has failed completly. Time to let somebody else see what they can do with the mess.

So you have moved on from your quotes? Does that mean you understand that what Romney and Obama said was taken out of context?

 

[Ms Tree]

Romney paid what he has to according to the tax code. Do you blame him? If I made the same money i would try to minimize my tax burden also. We all do. I bet his 13% is way more than my 15%.

Geez you guys a thick. We understand that this is how the tax laws are written. What was being asked was an opinion. Do you think it is right? Has Romney or Ryan said it is right or wrong?

 

[Keroseneuser]

So you have moved on from your quotes? Does that mean you understand that what Romney and Obama said was taken out of context?

No, I just realized that like many other people out there you only hear what you want to hear. I cannot count how many times I have heard that same argument...."It was taken out of context" That should be the new slogan for your type, "He shot me in the leg!!!" "Yeah, but it was taken out of context." It's comical.

Obama is a disaster as a president. Time to move on to the next one and see how he does, If he is even half as bad as Obama has been we will fire him too.

 

[Dog Wonder]

I only hear what I want to hear. I cannot count It's comical.

Obama is president. Time to see how he does,

What you said.

 

[Ms Tree]

No, I just realized that like many other people out there you only hear what you want to hear. I cannot count how many times I have heard that same argument...."It was taken out of context" That should be the new slogan for your type, "He shot me in the leg!!!" "Yeah, but it was taken out of context." It's comical.

Obama is a disaster as a president. Time to move on to the next one and see how he does, If he is even half as bad as Obama has been we will fire him too.

Are you saying you believe Romney likes to fire people? After all, he did say that.

 

[Keroseneuser]

Are you saying you believe Romney likes to fire people? After all, he did say that.

If the person being fired is not doing the job he is paid to be doing, i have no problem with that. Whats your point? Did you mean to imply that if somebody likes firing people who are not doing their job that you feel it is a bad thing? On a personal level there are few things I hate more than having to pick up the slack for a lazy arse coworker with an entitlement complex. So in that case I have enjoyed firing at least one lazy bum in my lifetime. I am sure somebody that has run a large corporation such as Bain has had to make the choice a lot more than I have over the years.

Concerning our current president, In my opinion as one of his employers he is not doing the job he was hired to do. Time will tell if the rest of the Board of Directors feels the same way. I hear the next BOD meeting is in November.

 

[Ms Tree]

If the person being fired is not doing the job he is paid to be doing, i have no problem with that. Whats your point? Did you mean to imply that if somebody likes firing people who are not doing their job that you feel it is a bad thing? On a personal level there are few things I hate more than having to pick up the slack for a lazy arse coworker with an entitlement complex. So in that case I have enjoyed firing at least one lazy bum in my lifetime. I am sure somebody that has run a large corporation such as Bain has had to make the choice a lot more than I have over the years.

Concerning our current president, In my opinion as one of his employers he is not doing the job he was hired to do. Time will tell if the rest of the Board of Directors feels the same way. I hear the next BOD meeting is in November.

No fair. You're cheating. You are puting Romneys words in to context. The quote used on Romeny was just "I like to fire people." just as Obama said "you did not build that". Now if you would like to put Obamas comment into context as well I guess we can lay this discussion to rest.

I do find it comical that everytime the "You didn't build your business, Gov't did" speech comes up in a political show/interview a dem jumps up and says "He didn't say that!" Well, its on youtube and every political show out there just like "Obama not bowing to King Poobah" in the middle east or telling the russian official to let Putin know he "can be more flexible after the election" I guess the Obama supporters figure if they lie enough and say that he didn't say or do those things that people will believe them.

Go ahead and post the entire quote from Obama. By the way, Romney said the same thing when refering to the Olymipic athleats.

"You Olympians, however, know you didn't get here solely on your own power,” said Romney, who on Friday will attend the Opening Ceremonies of this year’s Summer Olympics. “For most of you, loving parents, sisters or brothers, encouraged your hopes, coaches guided, communities built venues in order to organize competitions. All Olympians stand on the shoulders of those who lifted them. We’ve already cheered the Olympians, let’s also cheer the parents, coaches, and communities. All right! [pumps fist]."

Context is a b!tch huh? How about we just take the bold part and leav the rest out? Would that change the meaning? How about I just take the bold in your original statement? Does that work for you? Probably not since it takes your statement out of context just like Romneys statement out of context.

 

[Keroseneuser]

I will concur that Romney said what you quoted. However at the risk of being guilty of seeing things in a context, The olympics was a success story. he took on a challenge and turned it around in a positive way.

I really can find nothing positive about Obamas last 4 years. Gas is up, food is up, wages are down, poverty is up, unemployment is up. Thanks to a 19 year old I ran across last week I found out that Obama also passed a law that allows the GI Bill to pay for school for someone that never served in the military.(Still need to look up what bill that was hidden in) This kid was playing in a band as his job, never served in the military and according to him he is on a full ride on the GI Bill simply because his father had served. I asked him who was going to pay for all this and he said the government....I asked again who was going to pay for all this and he looked at me like I had two heads.

I am sure all the vets that served and came home wounded or minus several friends are just thrilled they get to foot the bill for this 19 year old long haired nightclub band member to go to school on the GI Bill.

I am not really thrilled about Romney, I think there were better candidates out there that didn't make it through the primary or to the primary. However at this point just about anybody is better than what we have. I think if given another 4 years of what the last 4 years has been we will see the US looking a lot like Greece is now. Not to mention whatever it is that Obama is afraid to tell the public about his plan for the "flexible" post election foreign policy. If he cannot say it now, that tells me that he knows it is something that is going to piss off his employers.

Due to work I have spent lots of time all through europe, the middle east and asia. The one thing I know for sure is I have no interest in seeing this country become what I have seen in my travels. But from that point of view everything I have seen Obama support and push for in the last 4 years seems to be a direct effort to push this country in that direction. You want to live in a system such as that, Move. The United States is different for a reason. We became the super power we are because of that difference,

But I am sure you have no idea what I am talking about. So go on back to your "Its a crime to be successful" and "all our problems are caused by the wealthy" soundbites. By the way the lazy arse next door has been out of work for a year and isn't looking for a job since he is still collecting from the gubment. Why don't you send him a check to help out, He was complaining that he doesn't get enough for beer money.