Seniortiy

[goodgirl37]

"Junior" is relative. A 10 year employee at HP probably has a pretty good line going. Why (without fences) should they be forced to give that up?
If you think that's the way it works in the 9 to 5 world, you are tragically mistaken.

The only thing I've ever had decided by "seniority" in the 9 to 5 world is who gets the window cube (that was not already taken by a group lead or manager).

[post="294604"][/post]​

CLUE,

Get a clue, stop whining about lines and realize that I have had to give up my job twice not just my line so be thankful you will have a job. The big picture could be MUCH worse - I am tired of the babies around here, you poor thing - might MIGHT have to go on reserve - doubtful though.. just think how bad you would be bitching if you were like me and lost your job twice and still had to support yourself. Feel lucky!!!!

 

[Bear96]

The only thing I'm saying here it that DOH is the ONLY fair way to play this out for ALL involved!

[post="294623"][/post]​

No. There are lots of potential alternatives besides DOH. DOH is not at all fair to the HP F/As.

But, it is in the bylaws, rightly or wrongly. So by that definition of fair (you shouldn't change the rules halfway through the game), the U F/As have a point.

 

[PHX-F/A]

I would think that whatever DOH you were using at AW would be the same after the merger. I can see no logical reason why you would lose it, but this would be a good question to ask your union reps that are working on the senority list.

[post="294495"][/post]​

I think that both MECs are performing audits on the seniourity lists to make sure the are correct before submitting them to each other.

 

[Travelpro72]

We have a point exactly. Again, if HP were not merging with US who would it have been? It has NOTHING to do with we f/a's at US trying to gain anything. What can we really do about it? The bylaws are WRITTEN and are NOT changing. HP folks should have been aware of what was in their contract and the AFA bylaws that have been in place for quite some time. Neither carrier is standing alone and HP was maybe a hair stronger due to them not being in ch11. Your own ceo even said that you were gonna run out of cash. We were a perfect match and it's not going to be "called off" because we can't resolve seniority issues. If the mec's cant agree on how to do it after a certain period of time, doesn't it go to a mediator or something to do it. I'm quite certain that she/he can't change bylaws agreed to by both carriers either. Mergers and alterations of seniority are all part of the job and are always real possibilities. Now it's not ok? Interesting.

 

[N109UW]

Well i figure they are probably trying to figure out what to do/change DOH
when one company has f/as out on furlough and would be more senior
to the most junior of the company that your being merged with. You figure
US has alittle over 1500 that are furloughed and i dont' think it specifically says
what to do in the bylaws other than DOH when you have a situation
like that. someone correct me if im wrong.

[post="294635"][/post]​

I would assume that if you are already furloughed at US, then you would stay that way until called back, even at the merged airline. I don't assume they are going to furlough HP F/A's just to bring back US F/A's on furlough. That is just what I think, however it may be different and most likely will be.

 

[luvn737s]

Every airline merger within U has been DOH why change that now?

[post="294553"][/post]​

Sure all the past mergers have been smooth as silk. Do you really want something better, or just better for yourself?

With pensions getting the ax, and contracts being gutted, why suppose that seniority is sacred?

The menatlity I've seen coming across these boards on the part of US guys (or is it "yuns") makes me think that deep down, you just want more of the same pain and are willing to derail the process to ensure that.

Please prove me wrong.

 

[Whatnow?]

DOH is Fair all accross the board....there are STILL going to be a lot of AWA F/A's senior to a LOT of US F/A's......AWA started service in the early 80's, most of US big hiring didn't happen till the mid to late 80's. So, there are a lot of us here at US hired in the late 80's that are STILL going to get pushed back in seniority once the fences are brought down! But hey, that's the only FAIR way to integrate everybody! So stop feeling sorry for the AWA F/A's......it's going to happen here at US too! And if it wasn't for the merger with US.....AWA would have been gobbled up eventually to AA, DAL,NWA, or even CAL and more than likely WOULD NOT HAVE BE GIVEN DOH.......would have been stapled to the bottom of their seniority list just like TWA! So in the end, DOH is only fair play for all parties involved.

 

[Bear96]

It has NOTHING to do with we f/a's at US trying to gain anything.

Please. 🙄

The bylaws are WRITTEN and are NOT changing.

That I agree with. At least they aren't going to change in time for it to make a difference with this particular U/HP transaction.

Neither carrier is standing alone and HP was maybe a hair stronger due to them not being in ch11.

A hair stronger? Again -- Please 🙄. U would have been liquidated for several months now if it weren't for HP.

Your own ceo even said that you were gonna run out of cash.

Do you mean Parker? Sorry, but I don't work for HP.

...it's not going to be "called off" because we can't resolve seniority issues.

I never said it would be called off.

 

[etops1]

everybody needs to chill the f### out!!! PERIOD.!!!

 

[desertgal]

I am an AWA flight attendant. And I respect seniority. Mine. AND YOURS. We are not all supporting "proportional integration" as proposed by some of our members. Do I like it that my seniority is going to take a nose-dive? No! But I am not entitled to seniority that I have not earned. Please dont think we are all supporting this motion.

[post="294469"][/post]​

Same here.

East FAs, please don't get too riled up by the motion to change the C&Bs to 'relative' seniority.
I think everyone realizes its a vain gesture, more to placate the squeeky wheels at HP who are afraid of DOH.
Many are screaming for a recall of our Pres, he has to act like he's trying to do something.
I don't think anyone actually believes it might be approved by the BOD.
Of course, if they DO go for it, I won't be complaining! B)

I do wonder what are the differences in the reserve programs that would cause someone to be on reserve for so long?
Maybe its not the programs, but zero growth at US? (shrinkage, actually?)

 

[Light Years]

Shrinkage... US has shrunk by 50%. 400 aircraft to 260 and 10,400 F/As to 4,600, and still shrinking.

 

[N109UW]

Same here.

East FAs, please don't get too riled up by the motion to change the C&Bs to 'relative' seniority.
I think everyone realizes its a vain gesture, more to placate the squeeky wheels at HP who are afraid of DOH.
Many are screaming for a recall of our Pres, he has to act like he's trying to do something.
I don't think anyone actually believes it might be approved by the BOD.
Of course, if they DO go for it, I won't be complaining! B)

I do wonder what are the differences in the reserve programs that would cause someone to be on reserve for so long?
Maybe its not the programs, but zero growth at US? (shrinkage, actually?)

[post="294723"][/post]​

DesertGal, go to the Reserve thread. I put some info about our reserve system on there.

 

[lpbrian]

Bear,

I think alot of Flight Attendants like myself don't trust the people representing them. The Hp MECP is bringing an agenda item forward at the BOD to change the C&B to not do DOH. Pat Friend has been very suspicious about the whole thing also. Every airline merger within U has been DOH why change that now?

[post="294553"][/post]​

Times have changed, in case you have'nt noticed.

 

[CapnCockroach]

I am an AWA flight attendant. And I respect seniority. Mine. AND YOURS. We are not all supporting "proportional integration" as proposed by some of our members. Do I like it that my seniority is going to take a nose-dive? No! But I am not entitled to seniority that I have not earned. Please dont think we are all supporting this motion.

[post="294469"][/post]​

You are wrong.

You DID earn it. By working smarter. By not endangering your company with archaic expensive work rules and pay rates. You should be slotted waaaaay ahead of the #1 US FA.

Waaay ahead.

Remember, you are the "winning" company. They are the "losing" company.

Waaay ahead.

 

[goodgirl37]

You are wrong.

You DID earn it. By working smarter. By not endangering your company with archaic expensive work rules and pay rates. You should be slotted waaaaay ahead of the #1 US FA.

Waaay ahead.

Remember, you are the "winning" company. They are the "losing" company.

Waaay ahead.

[post="294856"][/post]​

LOL, talk to your CEO about that SHANEQUA - Neither company was the winning company and both were saved by outside investors - look at this - who has the WINNING international department? US - we have a golden east coast domination unlike HP and you have the west and together we can make it happen and we are bringing alot of stuff HP doesnt have including GO CARRIBEAN etc... NO ONE should be slotted from a 1983 seniority to a 1957 seniority. If you start doing that you are only going to create animosity between work groups so lets get real!!!!!!!!