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The summer 2007 timetable start is months away (April 2007) but we will start seeing changes uploaded once December rolls around, so keep updating this thread with things you notice, everyone.

First new route for 2007:

Miami-Valencia, daily 738, 10APR07
 
The summer 2007 timetable start is months away (April 2007) but we will start seeing changes uploaded once December rolls around, so keep updating this thread with things you notice, everyone.

First new route for 2007:

Miami-Valencia, daily 738, 10APR07


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I'm STILL WAITING for PVD/MIA :blink: :blink:

(Just kidding Mark....Just kidding) 😛 😛


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Valencia, Spain? Or another one?


I wish it were Valencia, Spain. However, it is Valencia, Venezuela (the route will utilize a 737).

After 17 years of flying out of Miami, I have resigned myself to the fact that the base will always have limited service to Europe. We once flew to Frankfort and Manchester, but lost both routes. As most of you know, AA currently flies from Miami to Paris, London, and Madrid only. Unfortunately, new routes to Europe are not being discussed (as far as I know).

Art Tang
IMA
 
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I'm STILL WAITING for PVD/MIA :blink: :blink:

(Just kidding Mark....Just kidding) 😛 😛
NH/BB's
Speaking of PVD, after killing the always full DFW-PVD flight for the great Love Field experiment, Love Field flights to STL and MCI are being greatly reduced soon and the AMT's are headed back to DFW. I wonder how much money we lost on this experiment. :unsure:
 
Unfortunately, new routes to Europe are not being discussed (as far as I know).

Art Tang
IMA

Two routes are under serious consideration, but none of them would start until summer 2008, at the earliest. They are Barcelona and Brussels. I'd guess you will see another Europe route launched by Nov08. Also, when AA orders 787s, the likes of Manchester, Frankfurt, etc. will become very viable from MIA.

Also, currently under serious consideration if Dallas-Beijing does not happen is Miami-Johannesburg, likely via Lagos or Dakar.

Most long-haul expansion at MIA in the next 2-4 years will obviously be going south. Miami-Asuncion-Buenos Aires will be launched next year IF Paraguay agrees to elimiating the "agents commission" law that made AA pull out in the first place.
 
Two routes are under serious consideration, but none of them would start until summer 2008, at the earliest. They are Barcelona and Brussels. I'd guess you will see another Europe route launched by Nov08. Also, when AA orders 787s, the likes of Manchester, Frankfurt, etc. will become very viable from MIA.

Also, currently under serious consideration if Dallas-Beijing does not happen is Miami-Johannesburg, likely via Lagos or Dakar.

Most long-haul expansion at MIA in the next 2-4 years will obviously be going south. Miami-Asuncion-Buenos Aires will be launched next year IF Paraguay agrees to elimiating the "agents commission" law that made AA pull out in the first place.
It would be very nice to see any of these routes. Additional routes to places like Valencia, Venezuela are good for the company, but in truth, they don't do too much to improve the bidsheets at IMA. Thanks for the ray of hope.

Art Tang
IMA

Two routes are under serious consideration, but none of them would start until summer 2008, at the earliest. They are Barcelona and Brussels. I'd guess you will see another Europe route launched by Nov08. Also, when AA orders 787s, the likes of Manchester, Frankfurt, etc. will become very viable from MIA.

Also, currently under serious consideration if Dallas-Beijing does not happen is Miami-Johannesburg, likely via Lagos or Dakar.

Most long-haul expansion at MIA in the next 2-4 years will obviously be going south. Miami-Asuncion-Buenos Aires will be launched next year IF Paraguay agrees to elimiating the "agents commission" law that made AA pull out in the first place.
We used to fly Miami to Asuncion. Did we lose rights to the service when we "suspended" it? I can't remember how it all played out.

Art Tang
IMA
 
It would be very nice to see any of these routes. Additional routes to places like Valencia, Venezuela are good for the company, but in truth, they don't do too much to improve the bidsheets at IMA. Thanks for the ray of hope.

Art Tang
IMA
We used to fly Miami to Asuncion. Did we lose rights to the service when we "suspended" it? I can't remember how it all played out.

Art Tang
IMA

No, we did not lose the rights. USA-Paraguay has Open Skies. Miami-Sao Paulo-Asuncion was flown daily until February 2006. The Paraguayan government set a new government-imposed travel agent tax which AA was not happy about. Given the marginal performance of the route, AA pulled out. American Airlines has guaranteed that they will resume service to Asuncion if the law is dropped. The proposing routing is Miami-Asuncion-Buenos Aires. It will allow AA to add a third daily flight to Buenos Aires, as well, because flights between EZE and a point not in the USA do not count towards AA's 28 USA-EZE flight limit, and AA has local traffic rights on ASU-EZE.

The schedule remains to be known. There is some debate on how exactly to schedule the flight.

A daylight in both directions would not require new aircraft. The 763 that is parked all day in EZE between flights to Dallas will simply turn around and do EZE-ASU-MIA during the day.

A daylight in one direction would have an overnight flight to Asuncion, and an evening arrival from Asuncion. This is the most likely canidate. It only requires one aircraft, and would allow good connectivity to major markets, such as NYC and Los Angeles. Until AA recently added the second daily flight to Bolivia, their Miami-Bolivia flights have operated like this since 1991, so there is no reason Miami-Paraguay, a similar demographic market, won't be able to work like this either.

A redeye in both directions is ideal, but would require the dedication of two additional 757s or 763s, which AA can't do.

It remains to be seen what will happen, but we first need to see Paraguay ease their government mandated travel agent commissions, which has caused a heavy reduction in air service to Asuncion (like the suspension of American and Varig) and scared off new entrants (like Copa).
 
Speaking of PVD, after killing the always full DFW-PVD flight for the great Love Field experiment, Love Field flights to STL and MCI are being greatly reduced soon and the AMT's are headed back to DFW. I wonder how much money we lost on this experiment. :unsure:


Thats part of the GrAAnd Scheme, kill mainline flights,reduce mainline headcount in all employee groups and transfer as much flying as possible to Eagle.

We never should have wasted the 2-3 hundred million it cost to set up and staff DAL.Would have been cheaper to match on price and frequency from DFW.

Inept management, especially at the local level is going to be the undoing of this place.
 
No, we did not lose the rights. USA-Paraguay has Open Skies. Miami-Sao Paulo-Asuncion was flown daily until February 2006. The Paraguayan government set a new government-imposed travel agent tax which AA was not happy about. Given the marginal performance of the route, AA pulled out. American Airlines has guaranteed that they will resume service to Asuncion if the law is dropped. The proposing routing is Miami-Asuncion-Buenos Aires. It will allow AA to add a third daily flight to Buenos Aires, as well, because flights between EZE and a point not in the USA do not count towards AA's 28 USA-EZE flight limit, and AA has local traffic rights on ASU-EZE.

The schedule remains to be known. There is some debate on how exactly to schedule the flight.

A daylight in both directions would not require new aircraft. The 763 that is parked all day in EZE between flights to Dallas will simply turn around and do EZE-ASU-MIA during the day.

A daylight in one direction would have an overnight flight to Asuncion, and an evening arrival from Asuncion. This is the most likely canidate. It only requires one aircraft, and would allow good connectivity to major markets, such as NYC and Los Angeles. Until AA recently added the second daily flight to Bolivia, their Miami-Bolivia flights have operated like this since 1991, so there is no reason Miami-Paraguay, a similar demographic market, won't be able to work like this either.

A redeye in both directions is ideal, but would require the dedication of two additional 757s or 763s, which AA can't do.

It remains to be seen what will happen, but we first need to see Paraguay ease their government mandated travel agent commissions, which has caused a heavy reduction in air service to Asuncion (like the suspension of American and Varig) and scared off new entrants (like Copa).

Mark,

Thanks for the information.

Art Tang
IMA
 
well, AA could certainly help heal some of my 'wounds' by resuming the PVD-DFW run. The wounds the 25 or so long-time AAers in PVD received will never be healed though. With a completely out-sourced station now (not even Eagle!) I can't imagine the cost side of the station opertion at PVD can't be incredibly better.
 
Thats part of the GrAAnd Scheme, kill mainline flights,reduce mainline headcount in all employee groups and transfer as much flying as possible to Eagle.

We never should have wasted the 2-3 hundred million it cost to set up and staff DAL.Would have been cheaper to match on price and frequency from DFW.

Inept management, especially at the local level is going to be the undoing of this place.

I doubt it cost the company 1 million to set up at DAL. Have you been there, its sparse, just a bunch of old DFW stuff.

No flying is getting shifted to Eagle, its just getting moved around, the Eagle and AA fleets are staying the same size. Don't be so paranoid
 
I doubt it cost the company 1 million to set up at DAL. Have you been there, its sparse, just a bunch of old DFW stuff.

No flying is getting shifted to Eagle, its just getting moved around, the Eagle and AA fleets are staying the same size. Don't be so paranoid

How much does it cost to fly around mostly empty MD-80s for 21 hours a day?

My guess is around 60K/day or about 20M/year.
 

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