Teamster contempt for A&P's

[whoop whoop]

http://www.teamster.org/content/say-no-amfa%E2%80%99s-sellout-representation

This article is ibt representation in a nut shell.

They SCABBED AMFA at NWA during the strike!

They have more than a few VERIFIED SCABS in leadership roles!

Now they have the gall to call AMFA a scab union, f"n laughable.

This is the same as their representation. They have historically let any airline they were the reps at outsource EVERYTHING, yet they claim they are fighting outsourcing???

It's funny, the hard working A&P's pay them, but the corporations tell them what to do. If we weren't living it, I would never believe it. They are dragging and keeping us down more than any of these airlines could.

Fact: ibt scabbed AMFA
Fact: AMFA never crossed any unions picket line
Fact: ibt calls AMFA scabs???
Fact: ibt are lying scabs that should not be considered a union any more.

 

[acmech]

The teamsters are a bottom feeding union. Just look at what garbage they pulled at USAiways. Filing for a union election right in the middle of contract talks. Their action is disgusting at best delaying a new contract for mechanics and setting them back.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

The teamsters are a bottom feeding union. Just look at what garbage they pulled at USAiways. Filing for a union election right in the middle of contract talks. Their action is disgusting at best delaying a new contract for mechanics and setting them back.

If you want to change unions, the best time is before a new agreement is reached. Contrary to what the Teamsters might say, a CBA does not, or will not change solely because of a change in representation. You will be stuck with whatever is negotiated by your current union. You will only have different representatives enforcing it.

For the record, I am not an industrial union supporter. If you decide to change representation, AMFA is the best choice of all.

 

[Kev3188]

If you want to change unions, the best time is before a new agreement is reached. Contrary to what the Teamsters might say, a CBA does not, or will not change solely because of a change in representation. You will be stuck with whatever is negotiated by your current union. You will only have different representatives enforcing it.

^This^

I wonder why that is lost on so many people?

 

[Bob Owens]

The teamsters are a bottom feeding union. Just look at what garbage they pulled at USAiways. Filing for a union election right in the middle of contract talks. Their action is disgusting at best delaying a new contract for mechanics and setting them back.

Well its not like they were going anywhere. IAM pretty much sat on their hands for over a year before they filed to be released, they filed, then what? Nothing. No picketing, not even at the NMB to let it be known they are serious. AMFA filed during similar conditions at NWA, they ended up with the biggest increases ever seen and all mechanics benefitted from that. Yes the recession, 9-11 and BK gave NWA and the other unions the opportunity to make an example of them by setting out to bust AMFA, no matter the cost, before they spread through the rest of the industry, but the fact is that every mechanic in the industry benefitted by what happened at NWA from 1999 through 2001 and to this day we are still better off. Our wages today are higher in absolute dollars (not when adjusted for inflation) than they were prior to 2001 but for many of our coworkers that is not the case such as Fleet service and Stores.

So while I would fault the IBT for other things filing for an election at US when the IAM continues to sit on their hands in negotiations isnt one of them. The IAM claims this will extend negotiations, well, after seeing the crumbs they were asking for, and the fact they were not making progress even with that, taking a little longer to get where you want to be may be a better option than throwing the IAM even more time to get you where you dont really want to be.Why should they be willing to settle for what the UAL guys , who are in negotiations, are getting now? They need a union that will at least try and raise the bar, not just ride the coat tails of United mechanics.

Sadly I still think the filing at US was really more about getting cards at AA. Maybe the IBT should be a little more aggressive at UAL, then they would not have to rely on deception in order to get more mechanics to want to become Teamsters. The thing about deception is eventually the truth comes out, the guys who told the lies will be long gone, telling lies to their next assignment, but we will have to live with the results.

So, while having Rival Unions court members from other unions may not be in the best interests of people who have positions in the Unions that are being raided ,despite what these leaders say, its good for Union members and the labor movement as a whole. It brings accountablity to the unaccountable, but care must be taken if a choice to move is made that you dont get lured into a relationship based on lies, lies from different people are still lies.

 

[1AA]

Teamsters wouldn't lie now, would they?

 

[700UW]

No picketing huh Bob?

Guess you didnt see this now have you?

http://aviationblog....lotte-n-c.html/

Or this?

http://www.wbtv.com/story/22062472/us-airways-mechanics-hold-an-informational-picket-at-the-airport?autoStart=true&topVideoCatNo=default&clipId=8805239

And it happened in PHL, CLT and PHX that I know of.

And no union files for a release after just one year, they werent even in mediation in the first year.

The IAM filed for a release and is still waiting for the NMB to respond one way or another.

The IAM has sat on their hands Bob.

http://www.iamdl142.org/Bulletins/2013/USA_2013_MandR-48.pdf

 

[1AA]

A strong union with political clout would have pushed for a release sooner.
Find me a good union these days. Forget about strikes and self help these days. Unions are here to try to better our pay and benefits as well as work rules. (TWU not included).
A bad union will suck up to management and sell the goods to their members as a good deal. (TWU Included)

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

No picketing huh Bob?

Guess you didnt see this now have you?

http://aviationblog....lotte-n-c.html/

Or this?

http://www.wbtv.com/...&clipId=8805239

And it happened in PHL, CLT and PHX that I know of.

And no union files for a release after just one year, they werent even in mediation in the first year.

The IAM filed for a release and is still waiting for the NMB to respond one way or another.

The IAM has sat on their hands Bob.

http://www.iamdl142....13_MandR-48.pdf

700uw

Again its all about aircraft mechanics here at AA, NOT the IAM, If you care so much about what happens with the IAM why are you here on an AA site which is all about AMFA and the TWU, and ibt.

You just like to spout off all your IAM and industrial crap, which has nothing to do with AA. Have nothing else to do?

You do have a vast knowledge or so it would seem about unions but its about aircraft mechanics, facilities, and auto mechanics, what we want and which union we want to represent us. Not About what you think we should have. Your just trying to cause a distraction, like most guys need that at this time.

The USAir guys need to listen to your stuff about the IAM since they have now requested that the IBT replace them.

Or is it your IAM support does not fly over there (USAir) since very few give a crap anyways.
.

 

[700UW]

The teamsters are a bottom feeding union. Just look at what garbage they pulled at USAiways. Filing for a union election right in the middle of contract talks. Their action is disgusting at best delaying a new contract for mechanics and setting them back.

If you want to change unions, the best time is before a new agreement is reached. Contrary to what the Teamsters might say, a CBA does not, or will not change solely because of a change in representation. You will be stuck with whatever is negotiated by your current union. You will only have different representatives enforcing it.

For the record, I am not an industrial union supporter. If you decide to change representation, AMFA is the best choice of all.

Well its not like they were going anywhere. IAM pretty much sat on their hands for over a year before they filed to be released, they filed, then what? Nothing. No picketing, not even at the NMB to let it be known they are serious. AMFA filed during similar conditions at NWA, they ended up with the biggest increases ever seen and all mechanics benefitted from that. Yes the recession, 9-11 and BK gave NWA and the other unions the opportunity to make an example of them by setting out to bust AMFA, no matter the cost, before they spread through the rest of the industry, but the fact is that every mechanic in the industry benefitted by what happened at NWA from 1999 through 2001 and to this day we are still better off. Our wages today are higher in absolute dollars (not when adjusted for inflation) than they were prior to 2001 but for many of our coworkers that is not the case such as Fleet service and Stores.

So while I would fault the IBT for other things filing for an election at US when the IAM continues to sit on their hands in negotiations isnt one of them. The IAM claims this will extend negotiations, well, after seeing the crumbs they were asking for, and the fact they were not making progress even with that, taking a little longer to get where you want to be may be a better option than throwing the IAM even more time to get you where you dont really want to be.Why should they be willing to settle for what the UAL guys , who are in negotiations, are getting now? They need a union that will at least try and raise the bar, not just ride the coat tails of United mechanics.

Sadly I still think the filing at US was really more about getting cards at AA. Maybe the IBT should be a little more aggressive at UAL, then they would not have to rely on deception in order to get more mechanics to want to become Teamsters. The thing about deception is eventually the truth comes out, the guys who told the lies will be long gone, telling lies to their next assignment, but we will have to live with the results.

So, while having Rival Unions court members from other unions may not be in the best interests of people who have positions in the Unions that are being raided ,despite what these leaders say, its good for Union members and the labor movement as a whole. It brings accountablity to the unaccountable, but care must be taken if a choice to move is made that you dont get lured into a relationship based on lies, lies from different people are still lies.

Read the topic of the thread again and comprehend it, do the same for the other people posting.

Guess you cant read, why dont you call out everyone else who posted about the IBT filing at US on this thread, like Bob Owens, acmech, Glenn Quagmire and the rest?

Bob posted about the IAM doing nothing, so I had to refute his post.

I guess you dont understand the concept of a Forum, its an exchange of ideas, information and a debate, maybe if you stopped worrying about me personally and add to the topic at hand, you might not be obsessed with me.

And at US the CBA is about Mechanic and Related, which includes Stores, Utility, Planners, Maintenance Control, Inspectors, MCU. Tech Documents, and many other classifications, maybe if you took the time to read the US CBA and see what classifications are covered under the CBA you wouldnt look stupid.

 

[AP Tech]

No picketing huh Bob?
And it happened in PHL, CLT and PHX that I know of.

There was no informational picketing in DCA or PHL......Members were asked to show up Wed, when they did they were told the picketing was canceled?? Permits pulled? Now hearing the truth is the IAM messed up on the filing for permits in those two cities???? Cannot even seem to get an informational picket right!!!!

 

[AP Tech]

Thinking in the end the mechanics at AA/U will be represented by either AMFA or the IBT. TWU andIAM have been given a chance and done little for membership.......time for a change!!!

 

[700UW]

And what has the IBT done?

They are screwing the UA mechanics, there are UA mechanics laid-off and CO is hiring off the street, not offering the jobs to the UA mechanics.

Still havent integrated their seniority, half the mechanics at SFO are forced to be members of the LAX local which inconveniences them to attend meetings, etc....

Still dont have a joint contract.

Most of their pensions are in the red and in trouble.

The ibt has had their chances and failed.

 

[737823]

Does the IAM have a joint contact at UAL? At least the IBT has the decency not to bring such a disgrace of an agreement with the highest medical in the industry and scope for only seven stations. It's clear the IAM wanted to hastily reach an agreement so the dues can start flowing from the s-CO side.

Has the IBT ever called a POS agreement "monumental" and how they are "extremely proud of this agreement" like Ira Levy, GLR and Sito Pantoja GVP did?

Josh

 

[whoop whoop]

I started the topic about the ibt, but as we all can see by how the conversation has gone, it could be about all of these greedy industrial unions that have lost sight of what their purpose is. They all have become money hungry corporations needing to feed their greed at the expense of the hard working A&P mechanics. And will go to any and all lengths to achieve their greedy objective.

This is why after all the corruption, lies and deceit against AMFA, the organization is still alive and well. It is the only organization that is still a UNION. Ran, controlled and steered by the membership. For the benefit of the membership and ONLY the membership.