Ted Cruz Announces

[Dog Wonder]

 
It came to me yesterday,  Cruz has a sausage schnozzola.....

If you get close enough you can smell the onions.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev, not so sure I "like" all the "new" people getting invloved if they aren't going to take the time to get educated on who they are supporting.

Bernie.
His main thrust is "free shite", awesome.
Let's examine closer , how would he do this?

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/04/06/watch-matthews-presses-sanders-supporter-on-paying-for-free-college-supporter-says-i-dont-need-to-know-at-this-moment/

And in the end, there really isn't any answer.

I would just like to ask any Bernie supporter to name 3 of the worlds best Socialist Societies.
Then we could see all the wonderful things we could look forward to here with Bernie running the show.

My dream matchup would be Bernie v Cruz.
Then, once and for all we could have the debate, Capitalism v Socialism.

Lots of people identify as Capitalist. Very very few actually are...

 

[KCFlyer]

Berntard supporters are among the dumbest people alive. Even worse then Obamabots.

 
Yes...us Bertards want free stuff...that makes us dumb.  Ones who are even dumber are the Cruztards....the want the biggest, baddest military in the world...for free.  At least Bernie has pointed out how he would pay for all this free stuff...however radical they might seem.  Cruztards are buying into the tax cut mantra and haven't bothered to run the numbers....just buy at face value that the tax cuts will ignite job creation.  And they might....but it won't happen immediately, as his increased defense spending will.  I ran some numbers representative of taxpayers in each current bracket, and what they would be under the Cruz plan.  The immediate shortfall in revenue was $3.3 million for 7 individuals.  
 
Then I calculated how many jobs would need to be created to cover that shortfall.   I used a very optimistic calculation that each new job would be paying the new jobholder enough to leave them with $50,000 in taxable income.  To cover the shortfall for just 7 individuals would require the creation of 661 of these jobs that pay about $64k per year.  And that would only bring us back to where we are right now. We'd need MORE to actually increase revenues.  661 new GOOD PAYING jobs to cover the tax shortfall of 7.  
 
We'd only need to create 44 million new good paying jobs  to cover his increase in defense spending alone (not the entire budget, and not the entire defense budget...just the proposed defense spending increase).  But Cruztards eat up the tax cuts.  And you guys think Bernie supporters are the only ones who believe in unicorns. 

 

[Kev3188]

Logic, common sense and math make for a much less exciting narrative than turning deserts into glass...

 

[townpete]

Logic, common sense and math make for a much less exciting narrative than turning deserts into glass...

 
Yes because its working out well so far right?
 
lol

 

[CMH_GSE]

KC,
You seem to be up on the subject.
For all of our reading enjoyment, give me your favorite 3 Socialist Countries.
You know, so we have something to shoot for.

 

[CMH_GSE]

Lots of people identify as Capitalist. Very very few actually are...

And that's not the discussion.
Let's see your list of 3 favorite Socialist places on the globe.
Because you see, if you're going to advocate we change to something other than what we were founded on , and what made us the beacon of the world economically, I want to see evidence that it's worked somewhere, anywhere.

I'll give you my example of Capitalism, the USA, before it became bastardized by liberals.
The fact remains, no system creates more wealth for more people than Capitalism.
Is it perfect, no but it's less imperfect than any other.

The only examples of Socialism you or anyone can conjure up will show the perfect redistribution of misery.

 

[KCFlyer]

KC,
You seem to be up on the subject.
For all of our reading enjoyment, give me your favorite 3 Socialist Countries.
You know, so we have something to shoot for.

 
Finland, Sweden and Australia.  Now...can you name for me any country in the world that has a 10% or lower income tax and spends 4% of it's GDP (as Cruz proposes) on defense, so that we can see what we can aspire to? 
 
You seem to be a fan of Cruz....what happens to the debt when we incur a dramatic immediate decrease in revenues  from his tax cuts, combined with a dramatic immediate increase in defense spending?   As I pointed out above...just for 7 people in each tax bracket (2 in the highest), the decrease in taxes from the Cruz plan will be over $3 million dollars.  And my number of jobs that will need to be created to cover the shortfall...not increase anything....is 661.  And using the Cruz tax plan, each of those jobs will have to pay $64,000, since Cruz is upping the personal exemption to $4,000 and the standard deduction to $10,000.  That would leave $50,000 taxable income.  They would be taxed at 10%...$5,000.   
 
Now...Rafael's plan might cause job creation to "explode"...but will the jobs that are created pay $64,000 per year? Or will they pay less?   If the average job that is created only pays $30,000 per year....minus the $4,000 personal exemption and the $10,000 standard deduction and we are looking at a taxable income of $16,000.  Ted's tax on them is $1600.  And if THOSE are the jobs that are created, then we'll need to have 2,062 new jobs created to just cover the shortfall of 7 individuals.  Multiply that out and I don't think there are that many American's to fill all of the jobs that would need to be created to cover the shortfall.  And for the record....if we use Texas as the measuring stick for the jobs that these republican tax cuts are creating...$30k is being pretty darn generous. 
 
There is one other way for this to be covered without so many jobs needing to be created to fill the shortfall.....the rich just need to get richer.  Oh yeah.....and not a nickle of that has addressed his INCREASE in defense spending. 

 

[CMH_GSE]

Wonderful.
Let's just start with Sweden.
About the size of California, land mass wise.
Population of 9 million.
California has 39 million, anyone see a difference yet?

This is a fun little site

http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/SE

The cost of living is higher there, you'll make less money there, your standard of living will be lower there.

And while I didn't take the time to look up their immigration laws, my guess is they are much like Denmark, in other words, very difficult to enter.
They had a total immigration this year of a little over 4,000 with a net immigration number of less than 20, yes 20 people net.

On to your question of spending 4% of GDP on defense, our GDP is over 17 Trillion,
Swedens GDP is $571 billion.

I think what we have here is apples and bowling balls, but we can examine the differences further and I will.

I can do the others later and I will, but I have a few things to do right now, like a job.

 

[townpete]

Wonderful.
Let's just start with Sweden.
About the size of California, land mass wise.
Population of 9 million.
California has 39 million, anyone see a difference yet?
This is a fun little site
http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/SE
The cost of living is higher there, you'll make less money there, your standard of living will be lower there.
And while I didn't take the time to look up their immigration laws, my guess is they are much like Denmark, in other words, very difficult to enter.
They had a total immigration this year of a little over 4,000 with a net immigration number of less than 20, yes 20 people net.
On to your question of spending 4% of GDP on defense, our GDP is over 17 Trillion,
Swedens GDP is $571 billion.
I think what we have here is apples and bowling balls, but we can examine the differences further and I will.
I can do the others later and I will, but I have a few things to do right now, like a job.

They do such a bang up job at administering VA health care, imagine what a cluster it would be if they ran it all.

 

[KCFlyer]

Wonderful.
Let's just start with Sweden.
About the size of California, land mass wise.
Population of 9 million.
California has 39 million, anyone see a difference yet?

This is a fun little site

http://www.ifitweremyhome.com/compare/US/SE

The cost of living is higher there, you'll make less money there, your standard of living will be lower there.

And while I didn't take the time to look up their immigration laws, my guess is they are much like Denmark, in other words, very difficult to enter.
They had a total immigration this year of a little over 4,000 with a net immigration number of less than 20, yes 20 people net.

On to your question of spending 4% of GDP on defense, our GDP is over 17 Trillion,
Swedens GDP is $571 billion.

I think what we have here is apples and bowling balls, but we can examine the differences further and I will.

I can do the others later and I will, but I have a few things to do right now, like a job.

 
 
I'm still looking for the country with a 10% tax that spends 4% of it's GDP on defense.  The nearest I can find is Somalia, but they only spend .9% of their GDP on defense.  But it sounds like a heavenly place, tax wise..

 

[townpete]

I'm still looking for the country with a 10% tax that spends 4% of it's GDP on defense.  The nearest I can find is Somalia, but they only spend .9% of their GDP on defense.  But it sounds like a heavenly place, tax wise..

When are you moving to your socialist European utopia?

 

[xUT]

They do such a bang up job at administering VA health care, imagine what a cluster it would be if they ran it all.

FYI,
RepubliRats 'AND' DemoRats do not care about VA health care.
You think Trump will boost the VA health care?
If you do, then you are an idiot.
 
😛

 

[CMH_GSE]

I'm still looking for the country with a 10% tax that spends 4% of it's GDP on defense.  The nearest I can find is Somalia, but they only spend .9% of their GDP on defense.  But it sounds like a heavenly place, tax wise..

KC, this has been discussed further up thread.
You have your numbers.
I posted a story from a legit outfit that runs these numbers for a living.
I think I'll go with their numbers over yours.
They said Cruz' plan would increase the debt by $700 billion over 10 years, which when compared to what Obama has done over the last 7+ years is what I would call a wild success.
Their numbers are conservative, it's likely to do better, but certainly , way better than anything Obama did.
I'll grant you, that bar is a low one to jump over.

 

[CMH_GSE]

KC, you won't make any traction with me on the horror of spending all of 4% of GDP on defense , if we need to spend 4% of GDP, or 5 or 6, we better find a way to do it.

If we don't protect this country and secure the borders, nothing else will matter in the end, we cease being a country as we all used to know it.