The 1,000 hr rule as governed by the FAA

[jbragg476]

Just curious if anyone knows if ETB trips count towards the !,000 hour rule for flying.
I know several people who fly tons and probably already have over the 1,000 hrs already.
Time to call out for Christmas if this is true.

Anyone know?

 

[sharktooth]

Just curious if anyone knows if ETB trips count towards the !,000 hour rule for flying.
I know several people who fly tons and probably already have over the 1,000 hrs already.
Time to call out for Christmas if this is true.

Anyone know?

Great question.

I believe the applicable FARs only apply to flight deck crew-members, however, there is that little FA contractual item that has usually been characterized as "Me Too". I am uncertain whether that only applies contract to contract or also can be applied to FARs that normally would only apply to pilots.

If the company is as short as indications seem to indicate and one tries to invoke that clause, I believe you would be cutting new turf and a preemptively quick trip to your council president would be in order to get an idea whether the council would defend the contract. Whatever the president decides, whether to defend the contract or let the company have their way, get it in writing.

Quick addendum. If you are TDY should you attempt to enforce your contract, I am uncertain who your president may be, your normal base or your TDY base. I would cover all the bases (pun intended, sorry).

Good luck!

 

[hp_fa]

My understanding is the pilot rule for 1,000 hours in a calendar year is set in stone under Part 121.503 of the Federal Aviation Regulations. It is a federal mandate and cannot be waived or infringed upon by the company. However, it is also my understanding that the 1,000 hours is comprised solely of block time.

There are stories of pilots who are aggressive about accruing hours in the first 9-11 months of the year and this way make sure they get Christmas off.

 

[cactusflyer]

hp_fa is correct and yes some years back there were some pretty crafty west pilots that did this and got christmas off. They have the hours capped now in Maestro so I believe it would be really hard to do that now.

 

[FWAAA]

The limit is 100 in any month and 1000 for the year. Fly a lot in the first 10-11 months and have the holidays off.

 

[givenup]

The limit is 100 in any month and 1000 for the year. Fly a lot in the first 10-11 months and have the holidays off.

There are no block hour limits for F/As in the FARs, only flight crew(pilots).

 

[sharktooth]

...... They have the hours capped now in Maestro so I believe it would be really hard to do that now.

Really?

So, they are denying pilots trips they are entitled to fly and be paid for on the basis of, what? a supposition that someone is trying to, what? make the spreadsheet boys and girls look like the idiots they are?

Apparently ALPA has signed off on this. Does anyone think USAPA should?

That sounds to me like a darn good reason to have a one-day safety stand down if I've ever heard one. Can anyone say 100% CHAOSâ„¢?

Only for a day, like as if anyone would notice any kind of disruption at AWA/US anyway. Jeeze.

 

[N924PS]

Really?

So, they are denying pilots trips they are entitled to fly and be paid for on the basis of, what? a supposition that someone is trying to, what? make the spreadsheet boys and girls look like the idiots they are?

Apparently ALPA has signed off on this. Does anyone think USAPA should?

That sounds to me like a darn good reason to have a one-day safety stand down if I've ever heard one. Can anyone say 100% CHAOSâ„¢?

Only for a day, like as if anyone would notice any kind of disruption at AWA/US anyway. Jeeze.

Careful there Sharky, the last guy that incited that riot got terminated. You could be next.

 

[sharktooth]

Careful there Sharky, the last guy that incited that riot got terminated. You could be next.

Thanks, but nobody is or was "inciting" a riot. Even, "that" guy.

If the pilot group is so cowardly they cannot stand up to patently unsafe management, then the entire enterprise needs to die. Much as I thought "that guy" was a tool before, I think it shameful ALPA (You're fired, ALPA) has not told management to stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

That a potentially murderous CEO put innocent citizens at risk (with a lifetime history of doing just that), along with the executives riding along who could have rung that bell any time yet did not making them just as guilty, and yet we as pilots stand around with our hands in our pockets, hemming and hawing over whether one of our own gets fired for advocating a safer operation?

Maybe my meds haven't kicked in or maybe they have, but it seems to me that the pilots, with their fingers on the switch, are exhibiting the worst character trait of all, that of indecision. At the very least, the pilots could wind the clock. Damn!

 

[cactusflyer]

Okay, before everyone starts getting all snarky....

Maestro only allow pilots (west) to pick up to 99 hrs. Actually it's 98 hrs and some change. Now, they may fly over that due to excess block but THAT is what I meant by Maestro limits, nothing more and nothing less. Wow.....

 

[sharktooth]

Okay, before everyone starts getting all snarky....

Maestro only allow pilots (west) to pick up to 99 hrs. Actually it's 98 hrs and some change. Now, they may fly over that due to excess block but THAT is what I meant by Maestro limits, nothing more and nothing less. Wow.....

Why ever would a sentient pilot group allow that to happen?

No, the "wow" is to you, because, it still allows one to take Nov/Dec off. You implied "maestro" would not allow that to happen, yet, by your own verbiage, it can.

You know, there are twelve months in a year.

 

[exB717Flyer]

The Maestro cap is because our CBA caps our maximum monthly credit time at 100. This is purely to prevent greed-flyers from picking up oodles of extra flying and keep up the demand to hire new pilots. I personally don't like it but there it is. (At TWA we had no cap and some pilots were able to get 135 hours per month.)

 

[cactusflyer]

Why ever would a sentient pilot group allow that to happen?

No, the "wow" is to you, because, it still allows one to take Nov/Dec off. You implied "maestro" would not allow that to happen, yet, by your own verbiage, it can.

You know, there are twelve months in a year.

Really, twelve months is a year? Wow, I wasn't aware so thanks for clearing that up for me. Geez, what did I ever do to you? To be clear Maestro will NOT let a pilot pick up above 99 hours.

Thanks exB717flyer for lending some clarification, not sure it will be seen that way though. Perhaps someone else could go even further and explain the bank time process to sharktooth regarding if/when a pilot flies over said cap in any given month. Maybe then it will be better understood why it's nearly impossible for a west pilot to timeout before Nov/Dec.

I'm done on this thread, seems some people just want to throw insults around.

 

[sharktooth]

No, I wasn't aware there were twelve months in a year but thanks for clearing that up for me. Geez, what did I ever do to you? To be clear Maestro will NOT let a pilot pick up above 99 hours.

Thanks exB717flyer for lending some clarification. I'm done on this thread.

No you are not.

10 months times 100 hours equals 1000 hours, max domestic.

You are a lying ass to think you can putrify the info then leave, as if you have nothing to do with it.

You are a liar and nothing less.

 

[N924PS]

No you are not.

10 months times 100 hours equals 1000 hours, max domestic.

You are a lying ass to think you can putrify the info then leave, as if you have nothing to do with it.

You are a liar and nothing less.

Wow. Once again you illustrate what a class act you really are. You really need help.

Have you ever considered checking out the EAP at work? You sound like you need it. It's just a thread on a web board. Why do you insist on making such a big deal out of it.

Sounds as if the only bad decision you've ever made in your life was to go to work for USairways. How much longer will you suffer working there?