The View From A Scab Who Left!

[Dizel8]

http://www.politicalaffairs.net/article/ar...iew/1741/1/115/

Enjoy!

 

[RDU Jetblast]

So it has come to this? Reading communist news articles to support a cause?

 

[E-TRONS]

Communist?? The press is the press no matter how you slice it. I think there is a bigger fish to fry here...... 😉

Perhaps you should just come out and say how disappointed you are that SCABS are validating the fact that things SUCK on the inside during this strike 😱 !! Sorry that NWA isn't having such an easy time to BUST THE UNION

Long live the AMT's of AMFA who had the intestinal fortitude to stand and face the HUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Godspeed to you one and all

 

[RDU Jetblast]

Communist?? The press is the press no matter how you slice it. I think there is a bigger fish to fry here...... 😉

C'mon, are you for real? the press is the press?

You're grasping at straws when you quote an unknown rag, a communist e-rag no less, to improve morale.

I hope NW IS having a difficult time with the scabs. But if you want to improve morale, bring in the main stream media.

And please, don't dispense with the "media is owned by NW...blah blah blah. " or " conservative this or liberal that".

Stories that are interesting have facts that can be checked and issues that effect the public. If the media isn't reporting, it is likely because they can't get to the facts and the issues are not being articulated well.

I know that the FAA has to be a huge presence at NW during all this. If not, why not? Their findings are public recrd. What are their findings? Maybe there are no findings. Maybe the media needs to hear more from the strikers. Maybe there is too much BS in the air to cull a good story. This falls squarely on the back of AMFA. Their PR machine is weak.

Again, I am for the strikers.

 

[delldude]

Northwest prefers poorly trained, underpaid mechanics who, as one striker said, "don't know how to change a light bulb on the wing tip" in order to increase its profits.

who also passed the FAA exams like every other swinging dick out there with an A&P.

 

[chasbatl]

who also passed the FAA exams like every other swinging dick out there with an A&P.

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Just because you have a drivers license doesnt mean you know how to drive, same goes for an A&P license.

 

[NWA_NJ]

Just because you have a drivers license doesnt mean you know how to drive, same goes for an A&P license.

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Exactly... the same can be said for every AMFA member.

 

[High Iron]

who also passed the FAA exams like every other swinging dick out there with an A&P.

[post="294251"][/post]​

Do you REALLY believe that?

An A&P: 'License to learn'. Experience, especially line experience. Definately NOT the exclusive domain of every "swinging d***" out there.

Somewhat festering issue/question BTW: Do you support or oppose the NWA strikers? Is this a case of situational ethics rooted in petty union vs union bad blood?

 

[High Iron]

Exactly... the same can be said for every AMFA member.

[post="294261"][/post]​

Nooo. The same could be said for some AMFA members at NWA ( or anywhere else ). By and large they are most certainly more qualified as a whole than the replacements; Not because they are AMFA members as such, but because of their experience on the fleet, especially line experience/troubleshooting. This would apply to AMFA at SWA, AS, NWA, UAL...IAM at US, the non-union DAL mechs and JetBlue ( who have tapped the talent by hiring away legacy carrier mechanics wanting to jump ship....even those icky ex-union represented employees...whom JetBlue is quite happy with BTW )

 

[NWA_NJ]

Nooo. The same could be said for some AMFA members at NWA ( or anywhere else ). By and large they are most certainly more qualified as a whole than the replacements; Not because they are AMFA members as such, but because of their experience on the fleet, especially line experience/troubleshooting. This would apply to AMFA at SWA, AS, NWA, UAL...IAM at US, the non-union DAL mechs and JetBlue ( who have tapped the talent by hiring away legacy carrier mechanics wanting to jump ship....even those icky ex-union represented employees...whom JetBlue is quite happy with BTW )

[post="294264"][/post]​

Fair enough... that's valid. My only point is that just because they are replacement workers and haven't work at NWA before, that doesn't mean they are not qualified to work on the aircraft and do a good or great job.

 

[delldude]

Do you REALLY believe that?

An A&P: 'License to learn'. Experience, especially line experience. Definately NOT the exclusive domain of every "swinging d***" out there.

Somewhat festering issue/question BTW: Do you support or oppose the NWA strikers? Is this a case of situational ethics rooted in petty union vs union bad blood?

[post="294262"][/post]​

i think if you check NWA isn't hiring cherries right from av school...i think that would be a huge media disaster.didn't someone say EAL AND UAL ex-mechs?? experienced nonetheless.
i totally and unequivocably uphold and support the right of any trade unionist to demand their fair share at the bargaining tables.
as to your petty union remark:i find it difficult in this era of airline history that any union in this environment would do what the AMFA has done and is bringing down on their membership at this time.you should know this first hand as i believe you've experienced it several times already.look at delta and nwa now......they're the last of the deep pockets and they're almost broke...they survived because of their bank account, now its overdrawn.AA's people recognized this without the threat of BK and they should be commended.
over capacity has been the root of all airlines demise and was never addressed properly,now nwa wants to cut its workforce numbers and so far,AMFA is resisting to the point of eliminating their own selves.soon after AMFA gets its day in court,all other labor groups on the property will face the music and make some rather unpopular decisions just like at U and UAl,AWA and such.with all this industrywide knowlege out there how can a union of this sort take such a stand knowing that it, nor its members will not survive? good decision to make some moot point in labor history that most likely won't mean much except in some far away business school for the likes of siegel and tiltons children some day?
so i do not agree with AMFA'S stand at the cost of the membership but support them in their cause.

 

[Hackman]

Exactly... the same can be said for every AMFA member.

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Shows how much you don't know. Most AMFA members and supporters have at least one decade in the business, and thats the low guy. Most have worked for the majors longer than any NWA scab has worked at his FBO or chop shop. We have a lot of skin in the game, and the greedy CEO's hopefully will be stopped when the pot finally boils over. Its coming, and its going to be ugly.

You are a FNG here NWA_NJ, and you have 32 posts since you joined yesterday. Are you are scab holed up in your hotel room? I bet you are, even though you state you are not. No matter, the more nonsensical drivel you post, the :blink: you look, so keep it coming.

 

[WNJETFIXER]

Fair enough... that's valid.  My only point is that just because they are replacement workers and haven't work at NWA before, that doesn't mean they are not qualified to work on the aircraft and do a good or great job.

[post="294275"][/post]​

We're not saying they are not good at what they do, but it's about principle. What would have happened if the NWA mechanics had accepted the offer the company offered. I'll tell you if you don't already know. 54% of YOUR workforce would have been laid off and the remaining mechanics would be making 25% less then when they started. On top of that, the company would to be able to outsource anything they wanted. I feel the decision for the Mechanics to strike the company has alot to do with protecting INDUSTRY jobs (that means every airline) as much as it has to do with saving jobs at NWA. So with the SCABS (you call them replacment workers) working on NWA aircraft while the mechanics are on strike is just bad for our craft. It tells ANY company that they can pretty much do anything to the mechanics because there will always get low life SCABS to do struck work. I believe the mechanics on strike are trying to make our industry better. Fighting corporate greed, controling outsourced work, making the airline industry safer.

 

[delldude]

So with the SCABS (you call them replacment workers) working on NWA aircraft while the mechanics are on strike is just bad for our craft. It tells ANY company that they can pretty much do anything to the mechanics because there will always get low life SCABS to do struck work. I believe the mechanics on strike are trying to make our industry better. Fighting corporate greed, controling outsourced work, making the airline industry safer

these new students of business college have used almost every trick in the book ,just look at U.so these guys exploit the replacement worker venue and i believe they'll be here to stay.....and everyones shocked?? its time has been overdue.i'm suprised it took this long.
sorry guys,its just a business decison,nothing personal.

 

[High Iron]

as to your petty union remark:i find it difficult in this era of airline history that any union in this environment would do what the AMFA has done and is bringing down on their membership at this time

Are you saying that if the same terms ( 53pct headcount cut/25.7 pct pay/take it or leave it, no negotiations of the terms ) were offered to the IAM at US, that the IAM would have accepted them...or should have accepted them?...or the membership would've gone along and voted yes to paring most of their own numbers?

I don't agree the "concessions are concessions" bent of your post, which I believe is disingenuous. What I mean is that you speak as though the "adapt or die" mantra takes a monolithic form or blueprint and that the "adapt" part takes the same form and same magnitude in all cases. No other carriers ( not exactly who's who of the white-hatters of the business world ) has demanded concessions of the magnitude that NWA has demanded of thier mechanics, nor made such a direct titanic frontal assault in eliminating their bargaining agent. Again, you cannot possibly believe you, or anyone else would react by "taking one for the team" and be a martyr for some brand of uber-capitalism, especially in this era of corporate malfeasance/greed.

so i do not agree with AMFA'S stand at the cost of the membership but support them in their cause

I'd sure like to believe the latter part of your statement at face value, however I detected several overtones of what can be regarded as "restrained jubilation" ( Sorry for the Seinfeld rip-off ) as to their situation. I don't buy the "I support the troops/but not the war" argument as such a non-committal stance gives aid in comfort to the "enemy" all the same and makes one ask 'Who's side are you on?