Title 1 recalls at AFW

[lpbrian]

I dont know what all the criteria is but I believe it is. After the aquisition MCI was going to be a 25% occupational seniority station for ex TW while MCIE was 100% occ sen. It was ruled ( I believe by Kasher) that it was 100% occ sen at MCI and the seniority lists were combined. I do know if I were on the property at MCIE and a realignment bid came around one of the options would be MCI line along with the various shops at MCIE. I agree AFW/DFW/DAL should be treated as one station. I'll go one further the whole system should be treated that way. The juniority list takes away from the concept of what seniority is about.

It's about qualifications, not seniority. Imagine a laid off AFW tech displacing and experienced DFW line tech. He will have to wait several weeks for a ramp badge, probably go through several weeks of Gen Fam classes and then thrown out on the line. Even then he may not know a frigging thing about a S-80 or 737. All this only to be recalled six months later.

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

It's about qualifications, not seniority. Imagine a laid off AFW tech displacing and experienced DFW line tech. He will have to wait several weeks for a ramp badge, probably go through several weeks of Gen Fam classes and then thrown out on the line. Even then he may not know a frigging thing about a S-80 or 737. All this only to be recalled six months later.

Yeah,imagine some DFW line techs coming into AFW after AA reduces domestic flying out of DFW due to AE taking over most domestic routes. They might get thrown into the engine shop where it takes a minimum of 4 to 6 months to get up to speed on overhaul processes and shop procedures,manuals. Alot of DFW line techs have little if no experience with sheetmetal or even avionics work so here we have DFW techs drilling crooked holes into a multi-million dollar castings,forgings for six months until they get their skill levels up.

Your arguement can go both ways. Many,if not a majority,of the people here at AFW have worked the line before either here(AA) or elsewhere. The lack of a one station agreement between AFW and DFW is nothing but politics. I'm surprised there hasn't been a lawsuit over this.

 

[lpbrian]

Yeah,imagine some DFW line techs coming into AFW after AA reduces domestic flying out of DFW due to AE taking over most domestic routes. They might get thrown into the engine shop where it takes a minimum of 4 to 6 months to get up to speed on overhaul processes and shop procedures,manuals. Alot of DFW line techs have little if no experience with sheetmetal or even avionics work so here we have DFW techs drilling crooked holes into a multi-million dollar castings,forgings for six months until they get their skill levels up.

Your arguement can go both ways. Many,if not a majority,of the people here at AFW have worked the line before either here(AA) or elsewhere. The lack of a one station agreement between AFW and DFW is nothing but politics. I'm surprised there hasn't been a lawsuit over this.

You're right about this. I forgot to mention it. A line tech would be totally lost at AFW. This just supports my arguement even more. As far AFW techs having line experience, they are mostly senior people. The bottom folks, those who would be affected, started as SRP's and moved up. As far as a lawsuit, what law was broken?

 

[PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH]

You're right about this. I forgot to mention it. A line tech would be totally lost at AFW. This just supports my arguement even more. As far AFW techs having line experience, they are mostly senior people. The bottom folks, those who would be affected, started as SRP's and moved up. As far as a lawsuit, what law was broken?

You obviously don't have a clue about the makeup of the work force at AFW. 🙄 AFW isn't like TUL where most mechanics there have never worked the line and the only station they have ever worked at was TUL. :blink: I would say over 90% of the mechanics at AFW have worked the line at AA at one time or another. Many of those came from DFW and many are not all that high in seniority. A bunch are ex-fleet service who took SRP jobs back in 1995 and when they upgraded to full mechanic their first mechanic assignment was over at DFW. Many of the mechanics over at DFW have worked at AFW at one time or another also. My point is: Do you think it is right for a DFW mechanic to forced to go to JFK or SFO during a layoff when there were AFW mechanic slots filled by less senior employees?or vice versa? The precedent has already been set at other cities where there are two or more stations so why no one station agreement between AFW and DFW?

 

[eolesen]

One of my neighbors worked in the TR shop at AFW, and transferred in from ORD, which was pretty much the norm according to him. He also said that because there were so many people from line maintenance at AFW that there was far more support there than at any of the other bases. So, I don't buy the argument that they'd be lost at DFW, especially given how much mod work seems to float that way.

 

[lpbrian]

You obviously don't have a clue about the makeup of the work force at AFW. 🙄 AFW isn't like TUL where most mechanics there have never worked the line and the only station they have ever worked at was TUL. :blink: I would say over 90% of the mechanics at AFW have worked the line at AA at one time or another. Many of those came from DFW and many are not all that high in seniority. A bunch are ex-fleet service who took SRP jobs back in 1995 and when they upgraded to full mechanic their first mechanic assignment was over at DFW. Many of the mechanics over at DFW have worked at AFW at one time or another also. My point is: Do you think it is right for a DFW mechanic to forced to go to JFK or SFO during a layoff when there were AFW mechanic slots filled by less senior employees?or vice versa? The precedent has already been set at other cities where there are two or more stations so why no one station agreement between AFW and DFW?

Whomever is right, it all depends how the company see's things things. We all know from past experience that their vision is not 20/20!!!

One of my neighbors worked in the TR shop at AFW, and transferred in from ORD, which was pretty much the norm according to him. He also said that because there were so many people from line maintenance at AFW that there was far more support there than at any of the other bases. So, I don't buy the argument that they'd be lost at DFW, especially given how much mod work seems to float that way.

Mod work has nothing to do with it. Since Mod slots are bid positions, and all mod slots are days and afternoons, all mod slots will be filled by senior people. AFW refugees will most likely work midnight line, where there is a certain crew chief who hates AFW people.

 

[lpbrian]

One of my neighbors worked in the TR shop at AFW, and transferred in from ORD, which was pretty much the norm according to him. He also said that because there were so many people from line maintenance at AFW that there was far more support there than at any of the other bases. So, I don't buy the argument that they'd be lost at DFW, especially given how much mod work seems to float that way.

Sounds like a croc to me. There has not been any voluntary base to base transfers since 2001. Anyone transfering into an AFW shop was thus high time and outside the scope of this debate. This also works the other way. I can assure you as Princess said, any low timers sent to AFW from DFW would be LOST. A same city agreement has to work BOTH WAYS

 

[MCI transplant]

Just running with sissors here, but could it have something to do with the fact that AFW is an Overhaul Base while DFW is a line station, and while LGA/JFK/EWR are line stations also they along with SFO/SJC/OAK, ORD/MDW, DCA/IAD, LAX/LGB/ONT are also considered line stations, and don't do Overhaul, but as we've all seen Overhaul work is transfered around/ie Gally mods and Overhead bins etc/. But I would say given the close proximity of AFW/DFW I agree that there should be a 1 station agreement. Anyone know if MCI/MCIE has a 1 station rule?

<_< ------MCI/MCIE has a 1 station rule. MCIE is recalling thirty three AMT's. But with the number of people retiring, we're quickly losing ground. There should be a major turn over here in the next two years.