Todd Courser tried to cover up an affair.

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eolesen said:
Yep. There seems to be no shortage of campaign-trail Christians or conservatives; unfortunately, the left likes to point at them as representative of the beliefs they pretend to follow.
That's because you keep electing them and keep encouraging them to run on that platform.  Then them they show you who they are you reelect them to office.  That is when it shows who you are as well.  If you reelect a 3 time philanderer even though he preaches family values it means you are either stupid or blind.  If you reelect Sanford after he shows you who he is, whos fault is that?  Yes, he now represents the right.  The right who preaches family values but does not really care about family values.
Perhaps if the right would point them out and stop reelecting the fools we would not have to point them out to you.
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Sometimes it is interesting and instructive to examine how other faiths look at things...

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Abortion in Jewish LawAbortion in Jewish Law
The traditional Jewish view does not fit conveniently into the major "camps" in the current debate.
by Daniel Eisenberg, M.D.
As abortion resurfaces as a political issue in the upcoming U.S. presidential election, it is worthwhile to investigate the Jewish approach to the issue. The traditional Jewish view of abortion does not fit conveniently into any of the major "camps" in the current American abortion debate. We neither ban abortion completely, nor do we allow indiscriminate abortion "on demand."
A woman may feel that until the fetus is born, it is a part of her body, and therefore she retains the right to abort an unwanted pregnancy. Does Judaism recognize a right to "choose" abortion? In what situations does Jewish law sanction abortion?
To gain a clear understanding of when abortion is permitted (or even required) and when it is forbidden requires an appreciation of certain nuances of halacha (Jewish law) which govern the status of the fetus.1
The easiest way to conceptualize a fetus in halacha is to imagine it as a full-fledged human being – but not quite.2 In most circumstances, the fetus is treated like any other "person." Generally, one may not deliberately harm a fetus. But while it would seem obvious that Judaism holds accountable one who purposefully causes a woman to miscarry, sanctions are even placed upon one who strikes a pregnant woman causing an unintentional miscarriage.3 That is not to say that all rabbinical authorities consider abortion to be murder. The fact that the Torah requires a monetary payment for causing a miscarriage is interpreted by some Rabbis to indicate that abortion is not a capital crime4 and by others as merely indicating that one is not executed for performing an abortion, even though it is a type of murder.5 There is even disagreement regarding whether the prohibition of abortion is Biblical or Rabbinic. Nevertheless, it is universally agreed that the fetus will become a full-fledged human being and there must be a very compelling reason to allow for abortion.
In general, abortion is permitted only if there is direct threat to the mother.
As a general rule, abortion in Judaism is permitted only if there is a direct threat to the life of the mother by carrying the fetus to term or through the act of childbirth. In such a circumstance, the baby is considered tantamount to a rodef, a pursuer6 after the mother with the intent to kill her. Nevertheless, as explained in the Mishna,7 if it would be possible to save the mother by maiming the fetus, such as by amputating a limb, abortion would be forbidden. Despite the classification of the fetus as a pursuer, once the baby's head or most of its body has been delivered, the baby's life is considered equal to the mother's, and we may not choose one life over another, because it is considered as though they are both pursuing each other.
It is important to point out that the reason that the life of the fetus is subordinate to the mother is because the fetus is the cause of the mother's life-threatening condition, whether directly (e.g. due to toxemia, placenta previa, or breach position) or indirectly (e.g. exacerbation of underlying diabetes, kidney disease, or hypertension).8 A fetus may not be aborted to save the life of any other person whose life is not directly threatened by the fetus, such as use of fetal organs for transplant.
Judaism recognizes psychiatric as well as physical factors in evaluating the potential threat that the fetus poses to the mother. However, the danger posed by the fetus (whether physical or emotional) must be both probable and substantial to justify abortion.9 The degree of mental illness that must be present to justify termination of a pregnancy has been widely debated by rabbinic scholars,10 without a clear consensus of opinion regarding the exact criteria for permitting abortion in such instances.11 Nevertheless, all agree that were a pregnancy to causes a woman to become truly suicidal, there would be grounds for abortion.12 However, several modern rabbinical experts ruled that since pregnancy-induced and post-partum depressions are treatable, abortion is not warranted.13
As a rule, Jewish law does not assign relative values to different lives. Therefore, almost most major poskim (Rabbis qualified to decide matters of Jewish law) forbid abortion in cases of abnormalities or deformities found in a fetus. Rabbi Moshe Feinstein, one the greatest poskim of the past century, rules that even amniocentesis is forbidden if it is performed only to evaluate for birth defects for which the parents might request an abortion. Nevertheless, a test may be performed if a permitted action may result, such as performance of amniocentesis or drawing alpha-fetoprotein levels for improved peripartum or postpartum medical management.
While most poskim forbid abortion for "defective" fetuses, Rabbi Eliezar Yehuda Waldenberg is a notable exception. Rabbi Waldenberg allows first trimester abortion of a fetus that would be born with a deformity that would cause it to suffer, and termination of a fetus with a lethal fetal defect such as Tay Sachs up to the seventh month of gestation.14 The rabbinic experts also discuss the permissibility of abortion for mothers with German measles and babies with prenatal confirmed Down syndrome.
There is a difference of opinion regarding abortion for adultery or in other cases of impregnation from a relationship with someone Biblically forbidden. In cases of rape and incest, a key issue would be the emotional toll exacted from the mother in carrying the fetus to term. In cases of rape, Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Aurbach allows the woman to use methods which prevent pregnancy after intercourse.15 The same analysis used in other cases of emotional harm might be applied here. Cases of adultery interject additional considerations into the debate, with rulings ranging from prohibition to it being a mitzvah to abort.16
I have attempted to distill the essence of the traditional Jewish approach to abortion. Nevertheless, every woman's case is unique and special, and the parameters determining the permissibility of abortion within halacha are subtle and complex. It is crucial to remember that when faced with an actual patient, a competent halachic
Ms Tree said:
How many times does this have to be explained to you?
Progressives do not run on family values and do not care who is doing who.  Conservatives however are all about traditional marriage and telling everybody what is right and wrong morally.  If one is to judge people by their actions the only possible conclusion about the conservative viewpoint is that traditional marriage consists of infidelity and multiple divorces.  
So how about all of you STFU about how others should conduct their lives and we won't laugh at all the infidelity on the right?  
As far as morality is concerned, the conservatives are hypocrites. You reelected Sanford back to office after he cheated on his wife on tax payer money.  You support people like Gingrich who cheated on 2 wives.  And you have the never to preach to the rest of us about how we are immoral.  
My my....where is the decorum?
From the one who always points out reducing the narrative to name calling and denigration......
Never met a hypocrite who wasn't a leftist.
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Perhaps it has something to do with one action being illegal and the other not.  Abortions are legal.  No reason the tissue and organs should not be put to use to help save lives.
Selling baby tissue and organs is ILLEGAL!
But, like I said , I'll give the Libtards this, they are fantastic at making excuses to fit their agenda!

Why isn't the planned parenthood fiasco plastered all over the Libtard MSM, like Cecil?
You are so ignorant it's pathetic.

Do you have the brain power to research or are you just brainwashed by the right wing?
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Selling baby tissue and organs is ILLEGAL!
But, like I said , I'll give the Libtards this, they are fantastic at making excuses to fit their agenda!

Why isn't the planned parenthood fiasco plastered all over the Libtard MSM, like Cecil?
No chit sherlock.  PP was not selling them so their actions were not illegal.  Tissue is donated for research all the time.  The only reason the GOP is going after PP is because it's a political witch hunt.  And that is why the rightwing media is making such a big stink.
1. It is illegal to sell fetal tissue. But donations are legal.
2. The law allows for "reasonable" fees to cover the group’s costs of donating the tissue
3. Nothing specifies how much appropriate fees should be
4. There are no regulations for what brokers charge researchers, either
5. Political pressure is driving the issue in some states
6. Planned Parenthood says it only has donation programs in a few states. But we don’t know which ones
7. Federal law does not require Planned Parenthood to disclose this information on their tax forms

Riiiight.....I'm sure Planned Parenthood is on the up and up, concerning this issue!
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Do you have any proof what so ever that they are not? Are their fees in Ling with what other charge (hint: yes they are).

Then petition Congress to impliment tissue research fees and procedures. Only problem I see with what is the GOP always talks about getting rid of regulations and allowing companies to do what they need to do. I guess that only applies to things the GOP agrees with?

Does the GOP want regulations or not?
How does god feel about people using her, or fear of her, to impose their own personal agenda on everyone else, anyway?

Just wondering, since y'all seem to think you know better than anyone else, what she wants for everyone else.
That would be Paul speaking

Are you now a Paulist?

How does god feel about people using fear of him to impose their own will on others?
It id OK/Different whrn they do it...

You don't know that?

(Sarcasm... Regarding the usual hypocrisy and transference from The Right, especially the so-called Christian Right...)