Twu/Amfa Supporters

[swamt]

I'll keep bumping till I get an answer

With AMFA you guys would have been able to fire the entire local officers "AND" any international officers that had anything to do with the local voting issue you speak of. No other union allows this.

 

[swamt]

Jetblue has a ten year pay scale and outsource all overhaul.

UA is trying to complete the merger and don't want to be like US/HP.

Bob, your advice cost all of us $20K or more voting down the May 2010 TA. Thanks.

Overspeed; It speaks volumes when one of your own from the upper TWU ranks gets on here and tells you to shut up. Bob's post are pleading with you to stop helping the AMFA. You still don't see it. In one of his post, "we all know where you get your info." this line from Bob just nullified anything you have stated and anything you post in the future. Bob, I know it hurts to continously watch him post "trying" to be a chearleader for the TWU, only to watch him do more harm than help. I do see you guys got the others to throttle back tremendously. Pretty bad when someone from your side has to get on here and publically correct you as we have been doing everytime you post. Just proves you are not credible any longer. Thanx for correcting him Bob, I know it took alot for you to have to do it, but it was needed badly...

 

[swamt]

Now that's funny.

Even if he was an officer you still could not recall him with TWU or teamsters.

 

[swamt]

Why did local 514 build a new union hall after the members voted it down 3 times. Anyone Anyone I take an answer from Anyone. Is that the TWU way

Ok. I'll bite and take a stab... Could it be that the officers are not able to be recalled so they can do what ever they want. Yea that's it, TWU is so democratic. With AMFA all involved would have been fired.

 

[swamt]

Now Mr. Owens is on another thread correcting realtyck. Man you gotta love this stuff. Anomaly, Rice, Overspeed and realityck have all been doing a great job of chearleading for the TWU, that an officer from the TWU has to come on here and correct everything they post. Great jobs guys, Please keep up the great work for AMFA.

 

[Overspeed]

Wow, now you say we have met in DFW? Sorry, but everyone I met in DFW there wasn't one person wearing a bag over their head hiding.

Deny? Deny that the twu is an industrial, catch all union where they claim to be "the most democratic union out there" yet the membership doesn't vote for anyone in the international and those same appointed officials never take pay and benefit cuts when the membership does?

So as an E-Board Member I was to remain away from my job as an AMT on the Widebody OTS Crew and Taxi/Park Crews? If you had cut slightly larger openings in your bag over your head you would have seen me at the Hall when I was required to be at the Hall. I never claimed I would never work at the Hall. I said I would be accountable and that was exactly what I did. When at work as an AMT I would be called away to help with union issues. Funny thing that you try to paint me as something other than I am. Maybe you e-mailed/called the wrong people. I did not call you any names. I called you a useless, industrial tool. That is how you behave so since you fear identifying yourself then you will just have to settle for that moniker.

GO AMFA!

Ken, no need to argue with you. You did get favors via Don V, you did get thousands of dollars from the TWU, and how is that seat repitch going in SAN? Helping out the contractors probably do TUL work. real union guy Ken.

 

[Overspeed]

Again you are wrong, as usual. AMFA "DID NOT" extend that contract you speek of. It was if fact a section 6. If it wasn't a sec 6 opener, AMFA would not have been able to nego the new 4th line, garrenteed head count for numerous lines of maint in Dallas, as well as all our back shops. This I speak of has nothing to do with the 2.75 per A/C it is if fact seperate from it. There were many more articles that were changed which also proves it was a sec 6 "NOT" an extention as you continuently lie about. And yes AMFA has done an extention in the past. While the members at SWA and AMFA were enjoying raises since the 911 attacks, what was "ALL" the other airlines doing?? Very simple, taking consessions as well as lay-offs, rifs and anyone that stayed got to re-locate their families just to keep a job, only later to be facing the actual BK they were garrenteed to avoid for giving up "conssesions" in 2003. When refering to our contract you need to post all the information. Once again you twist and mislead/misinform to get people to go along with you. Nice try, pls keep up the great job for the AMFA drive at AA...

All the airlines were outsourcing and referencing the low cost WN model that relies heavily on outsourcing. Thanks WN! Thanks for bringing all that work back in-house. You want us to be "lean and mean" like WN? So that means 65% to 75% outsourcing. We know that. You didn't get raises for all those overhaul people you don't have that UA, DL, AA, US, and NW had. The one time AMFA took the company on at NW they got it shoved up sideways. That's not winning brother unless your name is Charlie Sheen. "Winning!"

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken, no need to argue with you. You did get favors via Don V, you did get thousands of dollars from the TWU, and how is that seat repitch going in SAN? Helping out the contractors probably do TUL work. real union guy Ken.

Dobby,

Never denied getting donations from the twu, local or international. Don v. doing favors? Again step outside of the comfort zone of your alias and state facts as they are in reality. Seat pitch in SAN? You imply I am helping contractors do work AA AMTs should be doing? You are a real piece of bovine excrement. Did your master slip you a piece of paper with that written on it telling you to type it?

GO AMFA!

 

[Bob Owens]

SWAMT

Ask all the AA'ers coming into SWA how they feel when they will be at 45 bucks per hour, happily employed WITH job security.




You mean the "potential" 80 - 90 new-hires that's been mentioned in the blogs? Gosh, it sounds like a landslide.

Better hire more interviewers to handle the overflow crowd.

So 80 to 90 guys quit AA to go to SWA, how many quit SWA to come to AA?

IF SWA was looking to hire thousands of mechanics they could get all they need from AA. If they put maint in ISP I would try and be the first on line and would quit AA without hesitation, I suspect so would everyone I work with.

 

[Overspeed]

Dobby,

Never denied getting donations from the twu, local or international. Don v. doing favors? Again step outside of the comfort zone of your alias and state facts as they are in reality. Seat pitch in SAN? You imply I am helping contractors do work AA AMTs should be doing? You are a real piece of bovine excrement. Did your master slip you a piece of paper with that written on it telling you to type it?

GO AMFA!

And the ARSA and AA Corporate gave you money. Again, that is like accepting money for a Holocaust memorial from a hate group. The TWU giving money is not an issue.

Nope, Bob posted sometime ago that seat work was being outsourced to BOS and SAN.

Go AMFA, I mean TWU, I mean AMP, no wait...I mean AMFA again. Flip, flop, flip, flop, and flip, flip again.

You're funny Ken... a riot. Don't stand for anything but you Ken. "Look at me! I'm Ken and I am an awesome line mechanic. I rerack coffee makers and fix seat reclines better than anyone."

 

[Bob Owens]

Oh this union does take some of the blame for the BK. Many within this union spoke up about emulating the WN's more liberal work rules and lean concepts but they were ridiculed. Bob, Ruiz, Pike, Chuck, and others were crying for recalls to fatten their Locals with members for better shift and days off driving up costs.No I never said that we should stay on the track within the TWU. A change in Local leadership would be a great start. The vote no coalition screwed us all out of making $38 for the last two years.

Well you certianly like to make things up. I've repeatedly told management that I could care less if they add more heads, they had pretty much exhausted the recall list by the time I took office so there was no big push to recall out of our local. Out of the 300 on the list around 90% rejected it, they had since found better jobs.

The Vote YES coalition just screwed us out of at least $120,000 over the next 6 years.

 

[Bob Owens]

If I understood SWAMT he said five a month until the end of the year a few months ago. Sweet, 35 to 40 jobs for the 1,500 who will be out of a job at AA. Anyone who got a new job would be happy if they were unemployed.

Where the people who Quit AA "at risk"? Not from what I hear. We just had another 20 year guy quit , left the industry.

 

[Bob Owens]

Jetblue has a ten year pay scale and outsource all overhaul.

UA is trying to complete the merger and don't want to be like US/HP.

Bob, your advice cost all of us $20K or more voting down the May 2010 TA. Thanks.

And for all ten years on those steps they will be making more than a similarly situated mechanic at AA, and they are Non-union. Sad.

Your advice cost us around $150k since 2003 and will cost us another $120k by 2017, good job.Following your advice set a new low for the industry. Why do you hate the profession?

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

And the ARSA and AA Corporate gave you money. Again, that is like accepting money for a Holocaust memorial from a hate group. The TWU giving money is not an issue.

Nope, Bob posted sometime ago that seat work was being outsourced to BOS and SAN.

Go AMFA, I mean TWU, I mean AMP, no wait...I mean AMFA again. Flip, flop, flip, flop, and flip, flip again.

You're funny Ken... a riot. Don't stand for anything but you Ken. "Look at me! I'm Ken and I am an awesome line mechanic. I rerack coffee makers and fix seat reclines better than anyone."

Dobby,

Your analogy of using the Holocaust is repugnant. Since you keep harping on organizations the AMTA has accepted donations from then post the other 62+ donors for the Wall of Honor.

I support AMFA and supported AMP because they have something your industrial catch all union doesn't have... democracy and accountability. Your childish attempts to show that I am anti-union is laughable at best. Seat mods being done in SAN and BOS have exactly what to do with me? These mods have exactly what to do with this thread?

cowardice + personal attacks = twu supporters

democracy + accountability = AMFA supporters

GO AMFA!

 

[iluvaa]

Ok. I'll bite and take a stab... Could it be that the officers are not able to be recalled so they can do what ever they want. Yea that's it, TWU is so democratic. With AMFA all involved would have been fired.

Bingo you win but you see the cheerleaders won't answer when they know it was so WRONG