Twu/Amfa Supporters

[Realityck]

AMFA Now more than ever ?


Several posts in support of the AMFA mentioned someone by the name of Seham. A little research brought forth the following comment involving Seham, AMFA (Delle), and the American Pilots - APA.



From the Seham law firm? Nice. Isn't that the firm that bragged about bringing in the B scale for the AA pilots in the 80s? 


Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.


As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in one of the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency.

—Martin C. Seham



Thanks for the reminder. I knew Seham was fired by the Allied Pilots Association but I forgot the exact reason why. I also remember the AMFA’s Director (Delle) protested the firing and the APA told him to get lost.

 

[AA89]

Hey ProstateCK, the twu already gave us b-scale in 95 with the OSM program. This was the second time.

 

[1AA]

AMFA Now more than ever ?


Several posts in support of the AMFA mentioned someone by the name of Seham. A little research brought forth the following comment involving Seham, AMFA (Delle), and the American Pilots - APA.



From the Seham law firm? Nice. Isn't that the firm that bragged about bringing in the B scale for the AA pilots in the 80s? 


Martin Seham wrote proudly of this accomplishment in Cleared for Takeoff: Airline Labor Relations Since Deregulation.


As general counsel to the Allied Pilots Association (APA), the independent certified representative of the American Airlines pilots, I was close to the negotiations that resulted, in 1983, in one of the earliest realization of the two-tier system. APA was not faced with an insolvent or failing carrier; it was, however, forced to deal with an economic environment that had changed dramatically because of the effects of deregulation and was, by virtue of its independence, mandated to reach an agreement consistent with the needs and objectives of its constituency.

—Martin C. Seham



Thanks for the reminder. I knew Seham was fired by the Allied Pilots Association but I forgot the exact reason why. I also remember the AMFA’s Director (Delle) protested the firing and the APA told him to get lost.

Do you want to start comparing negatives between unions and law firms? I suggest starting a new topic. I can almost bet it will take off with plenty of failures of the Industrial unions and their representatives including legal counsel.

 

[RV4]

Thanks for the reminder. I knew Seham was fired by the Allied Pilots Association but I forgot the exact reason why. I also remember the AMFA’s Director (Delle) protested the firing and the APA told him to get lost.

Do you really want to make this about individuals because you cannot defend the TWU Consitution, Structure, and History?

OK, I will pick on James C. Little first.

Little hired in at AA as a Supervisor not a Union Man. He obtained his dispatcher licesense that then moved into the TWU. After bluffing his way through that Local, he was appointed not elected to the TWU ATD. His BIO once claimed he had degree's from college, but once called out that those were mail order degrees they were quickly removed from his public BIO. In 2003, he claimed that thousands of members were not allowed to vote on the contract because the American Arbitraion Association had a glitch in the voting system. He stated that the only way to have a legitimate labor agreement was to have a complete revote in compliance with the President Council By-laws, within weeks of that claim he then signed off a self proclaimed illegitmate contract without further ratification. As a reward, he was appointed TWU International President. Recently he signed letters of support to a Labor Coalition with the APA and APFA to stand against corporate greed and AA management, he was even seen on video talking loud and with authority outside the Bankruptcy Court in N.Y. Soon after, he was heard fear mongering the membership stabbing the APA and APFA in the back and running for cover like the real coward that he is.

James C, Little would have been fired by the membership of the TWU long ago, expect that there is no provision for the membership to have their say.

This is not about individuals, this is about Union Consitutions, Our Professsion, and obtaining Accountable Union Leadership.

If you insist on making it about individuals, well then we can start discussing Burchette, Yingst, Hammack, Thompson, Wilson, Klopp, Easton, and a host of others that have been "representatives" of the TWU.

I think you would agree that the TWU would lose even worse on a individuals comparison than a more straight forward discussion on the issues that effect us all.

What say you?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

There may be a few line mechanics that will vote in the IBT but they would be in a very small group. LAX and maybe some in Miami. The big question is no matter which union you want IBT or AMFA the total goal is to rid AA of the TWU. So all the childish bickering name calling is not going to make it happen. We the AMT's of AA need to find common ground and work toward getting rid of the TWU.

Since I've been in the airline industry AA has set the bar backwards many times. We the AMT's at AA have worked with the company and the TWU and what do you have to show for it? Each of us has to answer that question?

remember the jr program, 12 yrs to top out, extra yr to be vested, now our pension, retirerment medical gone, Holidays double time and half pay, sick pay, sick days, come on think of all we have given to keep AA number one. But now we are what? #3. Look what AA did to the Reno guys and the TWA guys.

How many companies have you worked for and how many yrs do you have invested in your career?
What are you going to leave with? How many pensions? and How much?

Tulsa you don't have to deal with the ramp as much as the line guys. Most of the airlines have gotten rid of O/H and with all that AA and the lack of fight in the TWU how much time do you think it will be before AA sheds that? It's going to be as soon as they find a place and someone to sign that they will do the work for the money AA wants to pay. Don't kids yourself....

"YES" I am an AMFA supporter because I want the TWU gone, I want to be seperate from the ramp, and I want a say in who is the TOP guy in the union which represents me. AMFA is the only union in our industry that has those things if there was another and it was going to look out for our craft as well then we would have another choice. But there isn't so AMFA is our only choice.

If you are really an IBT supporter than why bash the AMFA shouldn't you be bashing the TWU and trying to find a way to discredit the TWU intl? Inst that what AMFA supporters are doing?

Think about why your here at AA is it the enjoyment of work or is it just $$$$?

Think anbout the guys who will follow, maybe your sons, do you want them to have to put up with all the BS we have, or do you want better for them?

AMFA maybe not our saving union but it is a way to shed the industrial union from OUR CRAFT.

Sign an AMFA card lets put this to a VOTE, You can VOTE TWU/IBT/AMFA but lets work for the betterment of OUR CLASS and CRAFT

 

[Realityck]

AA89

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Hey ProstateCK, the twu already gave us b-scale in 95 with the OSM program. This was the second time.

Hey AA69 or 89, or whatever it is, with the apparent originator of the B scale on AMFA's staff, I can't top that. [/background][/indent]

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Glen: Who has the worker's best interest at hand?

The members do when they are members of The AMFA. At least we did when we were AMFA at NWA. We controlled our own destiny and the company knew it as did the scab IAMAW. They joined up to defeat us.

 

[AA89]

AA89

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Hey ProstateCK, the twu already gave us b-scale in 95 with the OSM program. This was the second time.

Hey AA69 or 89, or whatever it is, with the apparent originator of the B scale on AMFA's staff, I can't top that. [/background]​

Ask your sister if its 89 0r 69.
It's still twu 2, Seham 1 in the B-Scale battle.

 

[767 mechanic]

Buck , The IBT Airline divison participates in the Central States Fund and it is a version of an employee/employer contribution fund SIMILAR to we now have at AA. According to the IBT International The IBT monthly dues CANNOT BE USED FOR THIS FUND.

For more info check this website centralstatesfunds.org and click the visitor button

Oh yea I'm going to ask a crook if he is stealing from me. That would be the smart thing do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[whatajoke]

Is AMFA or IBT going to file first.

 

[riceweevil]

Oh yea I'm going to ask a crook if he is stealing from me. That would be the smart thing do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You don't even have a clue that Central States Pension Fund is seperate from the IBT. You and the other amfa losers SHOULD JUST GIVE IT UP AND SUSPEND THE AMFA CARD DRIVE.

 

[Buck]

You don't even have a clue that Central States Pension Fund is seperate from the IBT. You and the other amfa losers SHOULD JUST GIVE IT UP AND SUSPEND THE AMFA CARD DRIVE.

But we cannot join this fund until we are with the Teamsters correct?

Either way we still must wait the required time to become vested.

Are asserting that we would be required to turn over our existing pension to become members of this fund?

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

You don't even have a clue that Central States Pension Fund is seperate from the IBT. You and the other amfa losers SHOULD JUST GIVE IT UP AND SUSPEND THE AMFA CARD DRIVE.

TO riceweevil

If the fund is seperate from the teamsters then tell us since your such an authority how do you get into this retierment fund? If you must belong to the teamsters and they oversea how its run then you must be IBT? If not tell us so we at all the airlines can join and that way we will all have a pesion..

And just to let you know we are not going to suspend our card drive, the mechnics at AA deserve better than the TWU can provide. so we will keep collecting.

If your a IBT supporter I should be reading how you hate the TWU as well and that you are doing all you can to bring the IBT here since J. Little, Don V, and Bobby Gless set the industry back 15+ yrs with this T/A.

 

[AMFAinMIAMI]

I have asked UAL members about thier experience with the IBT.

The United guy were promised a local in SFO never happened..

Are they lumped into the local with all other IBT members, YES was answer

Are there any UAL members that are officers of the locals they are assigned to NO is answer

Why would IBT split the members of UAL in SFO between two locals one in SFO and the other in LAX.

I was told that it was to insure that UAL did not control the local by the sheer number of memebers.
So you can be working in SFo beside another mechanic from a different Local. How BS is that.

 

[amt66]

You don't even have a clue that Central States Pension Fund is seperate from the IBT. You and the other amfa losers SHOULD JUST GIVE IT UP AND SUSPEND THE AMFA CARD DRIVE.

Ibt will never fly with the line! This is exactly what the twu wants devide and conquere ! So if we can't agree to bring AMFA in then were all screwed