Twu/Amfa Supporters

[riceweevil]

The amfa lies are exposed because you refuse to acknowledge that ALL PENSION Funds are struggling right now.All you losers can do is attack CSPF because it has ties with the IBT.
Your real enemy is the mangement at AA and how severly underfunded OUR OWN DBPP is

 

[RV4]

You amfa supporters are seriously harming your cause and CREDIBILITY by attacking and LYING about the IBT. Keep it up and you won't have any chance of winning an election at AA.

Just out of curiousity, are you even from the planet earth?

 

[riceweevil]

Just out of curiousity, are you even from the planet earth?

Is this all there is???????
What a poor rebuttal which is constant with amfa supporters.

 

[RV4]

Is this all there is???????
What a poor rebuttal which is constant with amfa supporters.

I am more than happy to have a detailed converstation about these matters, but not without meeting face to face or a least on the phone.

This whole idea of typing responses back and forth with some unkown individual is not even worthy of expecting a detailed and accurate conversation.

How rediculous does it seem that ANYONE on either side would consider this forum as the means for accurate and detailed responses to questions or opinions.

That idea in itself demonstrates our lack of intelligence and professionalism to begin with. If you are not going to allow your opinions to have a real name and a face, then where is the credibility? This is more like a playground full of juvenile deluinqents, than a place to debate our livelyhood and union representation.

Go ahead and make it your campaing strategy and source of information, the results of that will be flawed outcome.

You want to meet or talk and discuss this in detail? Then let's do it like men.

 

[swamt]

I am more than happy to have a detailed converstation about these matters, but not without meeting face to face or a least on the phone.

This whole idea of typing responses back and forth with some unkown individual is not even worthy of expecting a detailed and accurate conversation.

How rediculous does it seem that ANYONE on either side would consider this forum as the means for accurate and detailed responses to questions or opinions.

That idea in itself demonstrates our lack of intelligence and professionalism to begin with. If you are not going to allow your opinions to have a real name and a face, then where is the credibility? This is more like a playground full of juvenile deluinqents, than a place to debate our livelyhood and union representation.

Go ahead and make it your campaing strategy and source of information, the results of that will be flawed outcome.

You want to meet or talk and discuss this in detail? Then let's do it like men.

These forums do have an effect. They are read by both company and unions as well as other employees.

 

[1AA]

The teamsters Central States Plan is a bit more than "underfunded".

This is from a little over 2 years ago, pay particular attention to that word...... Insolvency

http://www.joc.com/g...arns-insolvency

Definition of 'Insolvency'

When an individual or organization can no longer meet its financial obligations with its lender or lenders as debts become due. Insolvency can lead to insolvency proceedings, in which legal action will be taken against the insolvent entity, and assets may be liquidated to pay off outstanding debts.

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Investopedia explains 'Insolvency'
Before an insolvent company or person gets involved in insolvency proceedings, it will likely be involved in more informal arrangements with creditors, such as making alternative payment arrangements. Insolvency can arise from poor cash management, a reduction in the forecasted cash inflow or from an increase in cash expenses.

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[background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]We learn something new here every time the IBT or TWU supporters open their mouth or should I say touch their keyboards.[/background]​

[background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]You IBT supporters are doing a wonderful job discrediting your cause. The more crap you post the more people you turn away. Can't wait to forward this one at work.[/background]​

[background=rgb(255, 255, 255)]Keep it coming boys I have all the time to read and forward.[/background]​

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[1AA]

Just because we have the IBT does not require us to PARTICPATE in the CSPF. We, as a group, can still remain in the AA 401K Plan.

Oh your funny. Keep believing your own crap.

 

[1AA]

You amfa supporters are seriously harming your cause and CREDIBILITY by attacking and LYING about the IBT. Keep it up and you won't have any chance of winning an election at AA.

That is the plan. Haven't you figured it out yet?

 

[1AA]

The amfa lies are exposed because you refuse to acknowledge that ALL PENSION Funds are struggling right now.All you losers can do is attack CSPF because it has ties with the IBT.
Your real enemy is the mangement at AA and how severly underfunded OUR OWN DBPP is

Our real enemy is the TWU. The IBT is worse. IBT will not represent us at AA. Everyone here and at work know this. It is just a distraction but we are prevailing with the AMFA drive. The more misleading info you and your IBT/TWU buddies post the more AMFA cards get signed. Keep posting. You are our best AMFA supporters yet.
Thank you for your support I and others really appreciate your efforts.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Just because we have the IBT does not require us to PARTICPATE in the CSPF. We, as a group, can still remain in the AA 401K Plan.

I never said it did.

The discussion was on funding status, and the troubles there in. I posted links that speak to Central States funding, and the potential pitfalls of joining it or a similar ibt plan.

 

[Anomaly]

I am more than happy to have a detailed converstation about these matters, but not without meeting face to face or a least on the phone.

This whole idea of typing responses back and forth with some unkown individual is not even worthy of expecting a detailed and accurate conversation.

How rediculous does it seem that ANYONE on either side would consider this forum as the means for accurate and detailed responses to questions or opinions.

That idea in itself demonstrates our lack of intelligence and professionalism to begin with. If you are not going to allow your opinions to have a real name and a face, then where is the credibility? This is more like a playground full of juvenile deluinqents, than a place to debate our livelyhood and union representation.

Go ahead and make it your campaing strategy and source of information, the results of that will be flawed outcome.

You want to meet or talk and discuss this in detail? Then let's do it like men.

Quick, xUT, play that razzle dazzle video.

I thought this forum was EXACTLY to post detailed opposing views? These views are shared with ALL others who choose to look as opposed to a face to face meeting or a private phone conversation.

In truth, RV4, your attacks at of those you oppose are so simple, personal, and childish because you have no significant retort. You can answer each of our posts with insults only so long before YOU are the one question to which planet you are from.

 

[Anomaly]

I never said it did.

The discussion was on funding status, and the troubles there in. I posted links that speak to Central States funding, and the potential pitfalls of joining it or a similar ibt plan.

What plan would you suggest the TSH?

 

[TWU informer]

Quick, xUT, play that razzle dazzle video.

I thought this forum was EXACTLY to post detailed opposing views? These views are shared with ALL others who choose to look as opposed to a face to face meeting or a private phone conversation.

In truth, RV4, your attacks at of those you oppose are so simple, personal, and childish because you have no significant retort. You can answer each of our posts with insults only so long before YOU are the one question to which planet you are from.

Only one big looming difference there liar.
And that is would you still place your total BS Lies on here if your real name were known and your reputation on the line?
You know, that old accountability issue that you industrial unionist all fear so much?

You seem to have overlooked the "accurate" part of RV4's request.

RV4's POST:

This whole idea of typing responses back and forth with some unkown individual is not even worthy of expecting a detailed and accurate conversation.

Let's requalify then. TRUTHFUL, ACCURATE, and DETAILED discusssions.

Example #1 - Detailed Arguement
Will you sign and date a personal contract with me, that insures me that the ibt "can and will" force AA in Federal Court to open section 6 negotations upon being certified? Seems to be an easy lie to place on a flyer, or post on this forum, but I would like a signed agreement from YOU.

How is that for a "significant retort"? Your move/turn
The only significant retort that is posisble, is one that holds accountability.
But you already knew that I am sure.

 

[Anomaly]

You and some of the other IBT supporters brought up the pension I just asked why its in the red? So you are admitting that the IBT pension is in trouble? AA pension maybe underfunded as well but that is because the TWU has made no effort over the yrs to have language to insure that AA keep it closer to being funded.

So the IBT is no better than the TWU.

AMFA does not have a pension, so you cant attack that.
Most companies are doing away with pensions in lieu of 401K.

The issue is are you fed up with the TWU?

If so bash the TWU.. Get what ever support you can for the union you support, we'll take it to a vote and see who wins. SIMPLE

Unless your are just working with the TWU to dilute the card count so that you can keep the TWU. If that is the case just admitt it.
Don't spout off about how bad AMFA is have you ever worked any other place other than AA? If not than you don't know.

I have worked for 5 airlines Now. All are gone I rode them all into the dirt. Got nothing to show from since you had to have 10yrs to be vested when I started and the others just did not make it.

401K's are the cheaper easier alternative to pensions. Of course companies want to move towards these. A defined benefit pension will plan is more secure and consistent especially in the event I end up living longer than I have planned for. This is MY opinion and I stand by pension plans as opposed to individual investments. 401K's were designed as supplementary funds to pensions, and this is how they should be applied.

There is a significant difference in the pension plans you have at AA under the TWU and the multi-employer DB which is the subject of many posts. The plan negotiated through the TWU at AA is a single employer plan held and managed by AA. They have the power through the courts to discontinue your pension plan as was the case at UA. The IBT fund such as the Cetral states or the much better positioned Western Conference of Teamsters plan however does not allow access to the company even through bankruptcy.

Here is a link to an older article that does a very good job of explaining the different types of retirement investments and outlines the planned attack on each of them by corporate America.

http://www.kyklosproductions.com/articles/pensions.html

 

[TWU informer]

401K's are the cheaper easier alternative to pensions. Of course companies want to move towards these. A defined benefit pension will plan is more secure and consistent especially in the event I end up living longer than I have planned for. This is MY opinion and I stand by pension plans as opposed to individual investments. 401K's were designed as supplementary funds to pensions, and this is how they should be applied.

There is a significant difference in the pension plans you have at AA under the TWU and the multi-employer DB which is the subject of many posts. The plan negotiated through the TWU at AA is a single employer plan held and managed by AA. They have the power through the courts to discontinue your pension plan as was the case at UA. The IBT fund such as the Cetral states or the much better positioned Western Conference of Teamsters plan however does not allow access to the company even through bankruptcy.

Here is a link to an older article that does a very good job of explaining the different types of retirement investments and outlines the planned attack on each of them by corporate America.

http://www.kyklospro...s/pensions.html

Why then are the unions in pursuit of changes to the PBGC limits for multi-employer pensions, via the law makers?
Protected from the company obviously does not mean the PLAN cannot or will not go bankrupt and still end up in the hands of the PBGC. It does not matter who screws the worker, union or company, screwed is still screwed.

You are such a salesman for snakeoil. Was there a specifc "Teamsters Liar" course from which you graduated on how to lie, twist, and manipulate every known labor subject to make it appear the IBT is not really another worthless P.O.S. Industrial Union?