Twu/Amfa Supporters

[Rogallo]

We dont even get Jet Blue wages. Seems your strategy is to keep the work in house by driving down our wages to the point where its not cost effective to send it to AAR or Timco. Might be good for the 2000 guys whose job you claimed to have saved, who live in the lowest cost area of the country, but not so good for every other mechanic in the industry. Now UAL is in a rush to talk contract, wonder why? Do you think they will drag out talks for three years or push to get into a PEB where UAL will bring up our contract to justify concessions at UAL? The damage you have done to this profession is staggering, you should be ashamed of yourself.

Ain't that the truth. Let's recall him. Oh wait, we can't!!

Damn, I forgot. He's just a line mechanic at DFW...!!!!

 

[Overspeed]

Are you referring to the fact that the AMTA accepted money from the ATD? Oh I see, through outsourceing, you just seek to destroy good union jobs through concessions. Its OK to destroy the jobs as long as whats left still generates dues I guess. Even non-union Jet Blue and Delta make more than we do, a lot more. I know, "AA employs more mechanics than any other Airline", well Wallmart employs more workers than any other store but we are supposed to have a problem with Wallmart because they pay inferior wages and benefits right, or is it because they are non-union? So if Wallmart allowed their workers to unionize but still paid the same would Wallmart be off the Boycott list? So the fact that we pay over $600/year and get less of everything than our non-union counterparts still qualifies what we have, according to you, as a "good union job". Tell me how would you describe a "bad union job"? Or even a "bad job"? To me a bad job is one that pays below market rate, which is what we have!!! And we pay out over $600/year for that!!!! What a bargain-for AA anyhow. Is that what its all about, thousands of workers paying dues to provide you (or your alter ego) a six figure salary and not about improving wages and benefits?

Bob jetBlue has a ten year pay scale and outsources all overhaul. DL outsources all AO and only raises their wages every time an organizing drive comes up.

Bob, just leave and get SWAMT to get you one of those great jobs that are out there.

The AMTA accepted $3,000 from AA Corp and $500 from M&E outsourcing lobby the ARSA. Ken has disrespected the memory of Charles Taylor by accepting money from a group that is trying to bust unions and outsourcing AMT jobs. Bob, if you hate the TWU that much then go help your buddy Dave out? Because you already got spanked by Little after your tirade and then your "I'm sorry" letter drew the ire of your JFK members. They now know the real Bob.

You finally showed your true colors you are willing to fight but only if you don't lose your position or job. You were willing to walk everyone out while you continued to draw a salary but now that your immature behavior went to far and Little had enough. It's about time he stomped on your toes when you crossed the line. No one deserved it more than you and in retrospect by the way you jumped, he should have done it a long time again. You are weak and have very little resolve.

 

[iluvaa]

Can someone please try and justify the union hall issue. We vote no 3 times please hss, reality, actink anyone care to explain that I'm willing to bet you TWU worshipers don't touch that one

Bump

 

[Overspeed]

Agreed.


Ain't that the truth. Let's recall him. Oh wait, we can't!!

Damn, I forgot. He's just a line mechanic at DFW...!!!!

Now that's funny.

 

[Overspeed]

Everyone knows how you get your info.

I have operatives everywhere...add layers to your foil hat.

 

[iluvaa]

Can someone please try and justify the union hall issue. We vote no 3 times please hss, reality, actink anyone care to explain that I'm willing to bet you TWU worshipers don't touch that one

Still no answer well at least those fools haven't showed up at all. Haha Because they can't answer that one

 

[Ken MacTiernan]

Ken you know exactly what I am talking about. Deny, deny, and deny some more but you did get favors from the Int'l. And I noticed you admitted that I know facts (Freudian slip on your part). Name calling does not diminish the fact you like the TWU when they cover your butt and take care of you and your pet projects.

Cowardice? Nope we have met in DFW Ken. When you were out here promising that you would never work at the Hall and would be out on the field. Well you were right on that part but you were a useless rep since you were afraid to get involved with anything and your best answer was call the Hall. You stirred up crap, spoke about AMFA or AMP (whatever your flavor of the month was at the time) and never had much interest other than promoting your MSC and where you were going to put your next bust.

Fine, call me names but that fact is your are ineffective and incompetent. You do no research and act impulsively and emotionally.

Wow, now you say we have met in DFW? Sorry, but everyone I met in DFW there wasn't one person wearing a bag over their head hiding.

Deny? Deny that the twu is an industrial, catch all union where they claim to be "the most democratic union out there" yet the membership doesn't vote for anyone in the international and those same appointed officials never take pay and benefit cuts when the membership does?

So as an E-Board Member I was to remain away from my job as an AMT on the Widebody OTS Crew and Taxi/Park Crews? If you had cut slightly larger openings in your bag over your head you would have seen me at the Hall when I was required to be at the Hall. I never claimed I would never work at the Hall. I said I would be accountable and that was exactly what I did. When at work as an AMT I would be called away to help with union issues. Funny thing that you try to paint me as something other than I am. Maybe you e-mailed/called the wrong people. I did not call you any names. I called you a useless, industrial tool. That is how you behave so since you fear identifying yourself then you will just have to settle for that moniker.

GO AMFA!

 

[iluvaa]

Why did local 514 build a new union hall after the members voted it down 3 times. Anyone Anyone I take an answer from Anyone. Is that the TWU way

 

[unionguy1]

Why did local 514 build a new union hall after the members voted it down 3 times. Anyone Anyone I take an answer from Anyone. Is that the TWU way

OK I'll try. The current President, at that time has a distant aunt whose Uncle's 3rd cousin from his mother's side best friend's son's coach from little league Uncle's great nephew has a friend who is a building contractor said no matter how the membership voted he could give them a great deal. Hope this answers your question.

 

[swamt]

SWAMT

Ask all the AA'ers coming into SWA how they feel when they will be at 45 bucks per hour, happily employed WITH job security.




You mean the "potential" 80 - 90 new-hires that's been mentioned in the blogs? Gosh, it sounds like a landslide.

Better hire more interviewers to handle the overflow crowd.

NO. If you have been paying attention it will be more like 80-90 for the 4th line. A total of up to 160 total for fillings the back shops growths and the AT buy-out. Never said it was a landslide. It will be enough to run another line of maint brought "in house" by AMFA at the last "sec 6 negos". Better than any other airline and union has done for the past 10 years. Is your current employer hiring right now?? Is any other airline out there currently hiring? SWA has been hiring thru-out the last 5-10 years. Just look at the sceniority list and dates. Anything else you would like to discuss??

 

[AC Tynker]

Are you referring to the fact that the AMTA accepted money from the ATD? Oh I see, through outsourceing, you just seek to destroy good union jobs through concessions. Its OK to destroy the jobs as long as whats left still generates dues I guess. Even non-union Jet Blue and Delta make more than we do, a lot more. I know, "AA employs more mechanics than any other Airline", well Wallmart employs more workers than any other store but we are supposed to have a problem with Wallmart because they pay inferior wages and benefits right, or is it because they are non-union? So if Wallmart allowed their workers to unionize but still paid the same would Wallmart be off the Boycott list? So the fact that we pay over $600/year and get less of everything than our non-union counterparts still qualifies what we have, according to you, as a "good union job". Tell me how would you describe a "bad union job"? Or even a "bad job"? To me a bad job is one that pays below market rate, which is what we have!!! And we pay out over $600/year for that!!!! What a bargain-for AA anyhow. Is that what its all about, thousands of workers paying dues to provide you (or your alter ego) a six figure salary and not about improving wages and benefits?

I look forward to each and every post you share these days FlipFlop. I have a suggestion for a new nic for you on the boards that is quite fitting. We can call you "Bob 8Ball Owens". You remind me of one of those prediction 8balls that you ask it a question and then shake it for your answer, but only with you it's what new agenda for the day/week that you are going to be pushing and supporting. Now you are back to spreading hate and discontent for and about the TWU ATD ? What happened to your "What do we have to lose, by trying to bring about Change from Within", (from what I heard, Luis inspired.<- That should have been a deterrent in itself ) Super Local modeled after Local 100 and WN TWU ? Why would you compare us to Jet Blue on wages, since I have been paying attention to everything the powers that be have only allowed commercial legacy comparisons. Like some including myself have brought up before, why not wait until BK is over before you start comparing anyway ? History as far as I know has not shown a precedence of raising compensation for any workers while in BK so why would they start with us. Walmart? Reaching just a tad maybe? So now I guess in short with the 6 figure salary remark is you are back to "Read Between The Lines" pushing AMFA?

 

[AC Tynker]

Why did local 514 build a new union hall after the members voted it down 3 times. Anyone Anyone I take an answer from Anyone. Is that the TWU way

Why not find Burchette and ask him how and why.

 

[iluvaa]

Hey AC dinker why dint you answer the question about the union hall. Hahaha cause you know it was anti democratic and a B.S. thing to do huh i love being able to shut you fools up

 

[swamt]

What? Did you pass math class? If you outsource more work that you do in-house for less you can then pay your shrinking in-house group more. In order to get WN like wages we would need to outsource at a similar level as WN or 65% to 75% as you state. You really need to think through your arguments and get someone who understands basic math run through your scenarios one by one.

Did WN management approach AMFA to discuss sending four line of overhaul out of the US in exchange for extending the IBT contract again? Yes they did. So AMFA agreed to degrade the current language to extend the IBT contract. WOW! That was a real master stroke of negotiating.

The TWU has specific limits on outsourcing so yes they can and will stop any outsourcing above 35% of maintenance spend. AMFA has a HC cap of 2.75 per aircraft. How is AA going to do close to $1.5B in in-house maintenance spend without thousands of AMTs?

And we have a wage adjustment clause in our contract so we will be getting a very significant raise within 36 months. And Delle said the same thing at UA then the membership wised up and voted in the deal before a BK judge shafted them even more.

Again, you truly are lost brother.

Again you are wrong, as usual. AMFA "DID NOT" extend that contract you speek of. It was if fact a section 6. If it wasn't a sec 6 opener, AMFA would not have been able to nego the new 4th line, garrenteed head count for numerous lines of maint in Dallas, as well as all our back shops. This I speak of has nothing to do with the 2.75 per A/C it is if fact seperate from it. There were many more articles that were changed which also proves it was a sec 6 "NOT" an extention as you continuently lie about. And yes AMFA has done an extention in the past. While the members at SWA and AMFA were enjoying raises since the 911 attacks, what was "ALL" the other airlines doing?? Very simple, taking consessions as well as lay-offs, rifs and anyone that stayed got to re-locate their families just to keep a job, only later to be facing the actual BK they were garrenteed to avoid for giving up "conssesions" in 2003. When refering to our contract you need to post all the information. Once again you twist and mislead/misinform to get people to go along with you. Nice try, pls keep up the great job for the AMFA drive at AA...

 

[iluvaa]

Why not find Burchette and ask him how and why.

You expect amfa supporters to answer for everything amfa has done so I expect you twu supporters to do the same go ahead i want to