TWU and IAM representation alliance vote

[ThirdSeatHero]

Unless another organization gets involved in the initial request to the NMB, the choices would be Alliance and no representation. once the Alliance is voted in they will become the representative and no other vote under these circumstances would take place.

 
To be specific - as this is a merger - once the Alliance petitions the NMB there will be a window for intervenors to file.
 
There can be no repeat of the ibt/AA filing debacle

 

[MetalMover]

Gentlemen,
 
Here is a link to the NMB website. The representation manual is the 6th bullet point down.
 
http://www.nmb.gov/s...representation/
 
Refer to section 19 on mergers its fairly straight forward.
 
Again, I sincerely doubt the NMB will expose themselves to legal/political fallout that would ensue if they tried to certify the IAM/TWU alliance without a vote.

Gee then why haven't we received any authorization cards to sign?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Gee then why haven't we received any authorization cards to sign?

 
Because The IAM&TWU are still incumbents and can use their membership lists as proof of interest.
 
For example - When the ibt tried to get into US, the IAM didn't need cards as they were the incumbent
 
There would still have to be an election as certification would have to change.

 

[MetalMover]

 
Because The IAM&TWU are still incumbents and can use their membership lists as proof of interest.
 
For example - When the ibt tried to get into US, the IAM didn't need cards as they were the incumbent
 
There would still have to be an election as certification would have to change.

Sarcasm on my part..But it still stinks

 

[NYer]

Gee then why haven't we received any authorization cards to sign?[/quote

Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System

"All applicants must submit evidence of representation or showing of interest from at least fifty (50) percent of the employees in the craft or class. Evidence of representation or showing of interest from incumbent organizations or individuals on the affected carrier(s) includes, but is not limited to, a seniority list, dues check-off list, a current collective bargaining agreement or a certification, or other indicia of current representation."

"If the organization or individual filing the application does not represent any of the employees covered by the application, showing of interest is proved by valid authorization cards."

 

[MetalMover]

Gee then why haven't we received any authorization cards to sign?[/quote

Showing of Interest on the Single Transportation System

"All applicants must submit evidence of representation or showing of interest from at least fifty (50) percent of the employees in the craft or class. Evidence of representation or showing of interest from incumbent organizations or individuals on the affected carrier(s) includes, but is not limited to, a seniority list, dues check-off list, a current collective bargaining agreement or a certification, or other indicia of current representation."

"If the organization or individual filing the application does not represent any of the employees covered by the application, showing of interest is proved by valid authorization cards."

The plot thickens,

 

[iluvaa]

I'm not politically correct or good at debating so I want to fing cuss out every pos that wants to force this gd alliance down my throat. If this is your idea of unionism go f yourselves.
There I showed my ass but this is making me so mad I needed to vent

 

[swamt]

Are they still going to try and ram it through without a vote?

Yup. Yes. Exactamendo!!!   Now you guys are getting it.  700 already knows this.  The TWU and IAM have been in secret talks with the NMB and there will be a shocker announced shortly.  This is all the why 700 is being so grey.  It will pop momentarily and then he will praise that he has been telling you all this the entire time when he has actually been purposely keeping the membership in the dark the entire time just like the TWU/IAM has as well.  Mark my words on what will be coming...

 

[swamt]

It is not representational dispute, now is it?
-No it's not, it's an internal union issue...
 
Are there cards being submitted to call for the Alliance vote?
-No.  Because the members had no choice in the matter, it was forced upon them...
 
You cant apply rules and regulations to a totally different situation.
-You can't apply rules and regs where the NMB has "no jurisdiction"
 
We will see what the NMB does when the Alliance files for the vote.
-Yes we will won't we.  We will all see just how bad the TWU, IAM and you 700 just screwed the entire membership...
 
You do know the IAM and the TWU have had meetings with the NMB about this right?
-Of course we do, that is what you call "behind closed door deals"  You will differ, but let me ask you this, where have all the membership updates been from these said "meetings" you say are happening between the NMB and the 2 unions?  There has been none, not one, notta, zilch.   Why is that 700?   Step up and answer the question 700, where have ANY of the membership updates concerning these "meetings" you speak of between the 2 unions and the NMB?  There are none!!  And why is that?  Because the unions want the membership as far in the dark as possible untill the last moment as they will still use scare tactics to keep the membership voting for the most corrupted 2 unions out there (with the teamsters a close call too).  Pathetic I tell you, pathetic...  Why won't you explain what is coming?  Because you know what the membership would do if they had all the facts, that's why...

 

[700UW]

Yup. Yes. Exactamendo!!!   Now you guys are getting it.  700 already knows this.  The TWU and IAM have been in secret talks with the NMB and there will be a shocker announced shortly.  This is all the why 700 is being so grey.  It will pop momentarily and then he will praise that he has been telling you all this the entire time when he has actually been purposely keeping the membership in the dark the entire time just like the TWU/IAM has as well.  Mark my words on what will be coming...

I am not an IAM employee, nor am I rep, I dont represent anyone.
 
So please tell me how I am keeping everyone in the dark when I have no official capacity for or with or on behalf of the IAM?
 
I dont speak for the IAM, I speak for myself.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

I am not an IAM employee, nor am I rep, I dont represent anyone.
 
So please tell me how I am keeping everyone in the dark when I have no official capacity for or with or on behalf of the IAM?
 
I dont speak for the IAM, I speak for myself.

 
I have a question for you then 700. I emphasize "you" as I want your opinion, not what you think the opinion of the alliance, IAM or TWU may be.
 
If the alliance somehow works a deal with the NMB which allows them to be certified on the new AA without a vote of the affected memberships - do you believe its right? Do you believe the memberships at AA & US have been justly served, and their respective voices heard?

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

 
I have a question for you then 700. I emphasize "you" as I want your opinion, not what you think the opinion of the alliance, IAM or TWU may be.
 
If the alliance somehow works a deal with the NMB which allows them to be certified on the new AA without a vote of the affected memberships - do you believe its right? Do you believe the memberships at AA & US have been justly served, and their respective voices heard?

He will give you his opinion as soon as the IAM tells him what it is.

 

[NYer]

They have to have a vote, there is no way around it.

 

[700UW]

I believe in the concept of the Alliance, but I believe in democracy.

 

[MetalMover]

I believe in the concept of the Alliance, but I believe in democracy.

Then the democratic way should be to let the members of both unions decide IF they want an alliance in the first place. not to choose between the alliance and no union.
Typical TWU arrogance with the IAM agreeing to it. 
If it happens to be choosing betweenthe alliance or no union...Guess what? i will vote non union...unless AMFA gets on it.....I don't appreciate having a gun pointed at my head by not one, but two groups of thugs.