TWU negotiations.........what?

[Hopeful]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't that a merger or aquisition?
The two groups should have merged by DOH (only fair).
Unlike when DL bought some Pan Am routes and equipment,But still merged employee groups (even though those employees had to interview and were basicly new hires).

Seems like it is you who needs the tissues and Depends.

The TWU and IAM agreed to binding arbitration under the Allegheny - Mohawk provision seeking fair and equitable seniority integration.
Well, GUESS WHAT????????????? YOU GOT IT!!!!

A FEDERALLY APPOINTED ARBITRATOR RULED FAIR AND EQUITABLE...DONE...FINITO...KAPUT......
GET OVER IT AND STOP CRYING........

Prior to 9/11/01, AMR was the most financially sound airline in the industry...Look what happened in the period after to this day..

Do you truly believe TWA would have survived it alone?

 

[enough already]

The TWU and IAM agreed to binding arbitration under the Allegheny - Mohawk provision seeking fair and equitable seniority integration.
Well, GUESS WHAT????????????? YOU GOT IT!!!!

A FEDERALLY APPOINTED ARBITRATOR RULED FAIR AND EQUITABLE...DONE...FINITO...KAPUT......
GET OVER IT AND STOP CRYING........

Prior to 9/11/01, AMR was the most financially sound airline in the industry...Look what happened in the period after to this day..

Do you truly believe TWA would have survived it alone?

And it's probably going to be these same people deciding the outcome of our contract negotaitions.

 

[1Conehead]

It was an asset purchase in a Chapter 7 bankruptcy liquidation sale. If it was a merger or acquisition, by law, it would have to have been voted on by AMR shareholders.
Funny you mention Pan Am/Delta; Delta took the assets they wanted (JFK hub, European routes, the shuttle, the A-310s, and a few 727s) and left the rest to rot on the vine (Latin America, 727s, 737s,A-300s, and 747s). Pan Am perished quite quickly after DL purchased the aforementioned assets. DL did indeed hire some, but not all of, Pan Am's unionized domestic employees, and not in seniority order. They hired who THEY wanted to hire AFTER AN INTERVIEW.

Thank you for the info and not a rant like some others here.
The situation now makes some sense to me.
The problem alot of folks had at DL was the folks that did get hired were given their seniority from PA time. It sounds to me like the same problem here.
Again please correct me if I am wrong I would like to know.

 

[Observer]

The TWU and IAM agreed to binding arbitration under the Allegheny - Mohawk provision seeking fair and equitable seniority integration.
Well, GUESS WHAT????????????? YOU GOT IT!!!!

A FEDERALLY APPOINTED ARBITRATOR RULED FAIR AND EQUITABLE...DONE...FINITO...KAPUT......
GET OVER IT AND STOP CRYING........

Prior to 9/11/01, AMR was the most financially sound airline in the industry...Look what happened in the period after to this day..

Do you truly believe TWA would have survived it alone?

there wasn't a mediation on seniority, there wasn't a mediator. When the 2 unions could not reach an agreement on the seniority issue, the 2 unions selected an arbitrator to settle the seniority issue. The seniority at American was and still is very different from the TWA seniority system

 

[Deleted member 14439]

THERE IS NO TWA !! THEY FAILIED AND FLAILED AND A BIG OLD EAGLE SWOOPED IN AND RESCUED THIER SORRY BUTTS. 4-10-01 IS ALL THATS LEFT OF TWA THAT AND SORYY BITTER ENTITLED WORKFORCE. GET RID OF ALL THINGS TWA THEN START RECOVERING "OUR" AIRLINE. A GOOD FAITH EFFORT WOULD BE THE COMPANY RESTORING OUR CONTRACT AND START NEGOTIATING FROM THERE. TICK TOCK THE CLOCK IS TICKING AA. WE WILL NOT SETTLE WITHOUT FULL RETRO TO MAY 2008...TICK TOCK

 

[MCI transplant]

THERE IS NO TWA !! THEY FAILIED AND FLAILED AND A BIG OLD EAGLE SWOOPED IN AND RESCUED THIER SORRY BUTTS. 4-10-01 IS ALL THATS LEFT OF TWA THAT AND SORYY BITTER ENTITLED WORKFORCE. GET RID OF ALL THINGS TWA THEN START RECOVERING "OUR" AIRLINE. A GOOD FAITH EFFORT WOULD BE THE COMPANY RESTORING OUR CONTRACT AND START NEGOTIATING FROM THERE. TICK TOCK THE CLOCK IS TICKING AA. WE WILL NOT SETTLE WITHOUT FULL RETRO TO MAY 2008...TICK TOCK

<_< -------- In todays economic environment!------ GOOD LUCK! TICK TOCK!

 

[Deleted member 14439]

don`t go away mad mci transplant just go way you are now irrelevant

 

[Hopeful]

there wasn't a mediation on seniority, there wasn't a mediator. When the 2 unions could not reach an agreement on the seniority issue, the 2 unions selected an arbitrator to settle the seniority issue. The seniority at American was and still is very different from the TWA seniority system

Re-read my post...ARBITRATION IS WHAT I SAID.........KASHER WAS AN ARBITRATOR...
HE RULED, IT'S DONE.......MOVE ON!

 

[Deleted member 14439]

🙄 I`m sure I`m way way behind on this but I was wondering. Has anyone compiled all the things and value associated with it that we have given up? Here is an example. Every may for the duration of th consessionay deal we recieved 1.5% raise. Yet every january our medical costs went up IIRC 5% So that`s a net -3.5% additional decline in pay every year that is an extra 17.5% over 5 year for a sum total of a 35% paycut. I`m not sure how to quantify the loss of vacation,holidays and sick time or whatever else I`m missing. I do not know about the rest of you but I want all that back plus retro to may of 2008 on a 3 year deal. Of course now that a mediator is involved how much say do we have? We gave up what something like 640 mil/ yr. Well as of this coming april how much additioanal savings have they realized by stretching this for a year. :down: They know what they are doing, I really don`t see a deal for at least 2 more years. that would mean an additional 2 billion in savings if my math is right and thats just from M&E AND RELATED. PLease feel free to corrcet me if I am way off base here. Seems to me they would have PLENTY of cash, to pilfer a phrase..."RESTORE AND MORE".........

 

[MCI transplant]

<_< ----- Your a dreamer dog! You know, your going down the same path we at TWA did! ----- You know! That "failed" Airline you like so much! ------ It'll become longer and longer between new contracts! And you'll be getting further, and further behind! ------ They'll always have an excise for keeping you down dog!!! But you know something dog? The saying "your lucky to have a job", in this new environment, takes on a whole new meaning! ----- You know something else? It feels good for a change, being on the outside looking in!

 

[1Conehead]

🙄 I`m sure I`m way way behind on this but I was wondering. Has anyone compiled all the things and value associated with it that we have given up? Here is an example. Every may for the duration of th consessionay deal we recieved 1.5% raise. Yet every january our medical costs went up IIRC 5% So that`s a net -3.5% additional decline in pay every year that is an extra 17.5% over 5 year for a sum total of a 35% paycut.

It doesn't seem like you paid much attention in your math classes,however i do understand some of your points.
55% of people understand percentages,the other 60% don't.

 

[Observer]

Re-read my post...ARBITRATION IS WHAT I SAID.........KASHER WAS AN ARBITRATOR...
HE RULED, IT'S DONE.......MOVE ON!

you wrote a federally appointed mediator..................NOT...........it was a mutual selection of Kasher..................BY THE UNIONS

 

[Deleted member 14439]

It doesn't seem like you paid much attention in your math classes,however i do understand some of your points.
55% of people understand percentages,the other 60% don't.

Elaborate my friend. Where am I in error? :unsure:

 

[Hopeful]

The TWU and IAM agreed to binding arbitration under the Allegheny - Mohawk provision seeking fair and equitable seniority integration.
Well, GUESS WHAT????????????? YOU GOT IT!!!!

A FEDERALLY APPOINTED ARBITRATOR RULED FAIR AND EQUITABLE...DONE...FINITO...KAPUT......
GET OVER IT AND STOP CRYING........

Prior to 9/11/01, AMR was the most financially sound airline in the industry...Look what happened in the period after to this day..

Do you truly believe TWA would have survived it alone?

Looks like arbitrator to me

 

[upsilon]

....Funny you mention Pan Am/Delta; Delta took the assets they wanted (JFK hub, European routes, the shuttle, the A-310s, and a few 727s) and left the rest to rot on the vine (Latin America, 727s, 737s,A-300s, and 747s). Pan Am perished quite quickly after DL purchased the aforementioned assets. DL did indeed hire some, but not all of, Pan Am's unionized domestic employees, and not in seniority order. They hired who THEY wanted to hire AFTER AN INTERVIEW.

It has been so long ago I have forgotten all of the details, but some of what you said is incorrect. DL took over the European routes and all of the 747 aircraft and crew necessary to fly them, which included the pilots and the FA. They were not 'interviewed', nor were they stapled. They were hired strictly based on PA seniority and their aircraft qualifications; and they were 'slotted' into the DL seniority lists. Not very fairly IMO, but not stapled.

When I fly Delta to Europe, I am always evaluating the FA service; and when I am impressed I ask if they are "ex-PanAm". The answer is seldom "No". DL had a very rough time transforming itself from the 'Southern + Atlanta-based w/Mississippi Delta origins' culture into an international carrier. Initially, from a marketing and operational standpoint, DL turned the former formidable 'USA flag carrier' PanAm into the laughing stock of the European travel industry. Only the continued performance of the former PanAm people and equipment gave them the time to broaden their 'cultural' and operational experience. I'm not prejudiced because I grew up in the South and still love it.

Something similar is true of domestic AA LGA flights with a 'senior-in age' crew, usually with a 'Speaker' badge and European flags. Invariably they are ex-TWA; and one was MK from this BB. The service has always been outstanding. These are people who love their jobs and want to keep flying, even with no seniority and the least desirable trips. As a pax, I look forward being on flights with them. AA should cherish them!