TWU negotiations.........what?

[Rogallo]

"RUN, FORREST, RUN"

AND DON'T LOOK BACK...

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

What is run Forest run supposed to mean? And don't look back? Was that intended as a knock against me because I am a Fleet Service Clerk. Sorry but I did'nt get the intention of that post can you clarify?

 

[DFWTWU]

What is run Forest run supposed to mean? And don't look back? Was that intended as a knock against me because I am a Fleet Service Clerk. Sorry but I did'nt get the intention of that post can you clarify?

Forest Gump(Movies) was a runner who just kept on running! This contract should have everyone running to VOTE NO.

 

[Rogallo]

What is run Forest run supposed to mean? And don't look back? Was that intended as a knock against me because I am a Fleet Service Clerk. Sorry but I did'nt get the intention of that post can you clarify?

You've only got 10 years with AA. I think we mean run and find a new career if your still young enough.

 

[Hopeful]

What is run Forest run supposed to mean? And don't look back? Was that intended as a knock against me because I am a Fleet Service Clerk. Sorry but I did'nt get the intention of that post can you clarify?

Just a line from a famous movie. I was referring to your post where you said you'd thought you'd make a carrier with AA.
We all thought that. For me, it was many moons ago.

If you happen to not make it with AA, don't look back, run and move forward.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Oh I see now. Thank you for the clarification. I am hoping to survive the layoffs and stay in my job but I think that is unrealistic. 10 years anywhere but AA would be a good amount of time I think. Honestly I don't think we will settle on this contract. That will give me 6 months at least to save and prepare. Maybe Continental unionizing will help our cause. I don't understand why we can't use the same tactic the company is using and sandbag them till the economy improves. Better to keep what we have and have a better jumping off point in better times then to take a bunch of concessions and be even further behind than we are now. Im hoping that the Continental situation will allow us to raise fares, and increase thier wages making our airlines more in sync from a competative standpoint. Also I hear BA does'nt want to join AA with thier labor relation problems. Do you guys think that will work to our advantage?

 

[boston]

Oh I see now. Thank you for the clarification. I am hoping to survive the layoffs and stay in my job but I think that is unrealistic. 10 years anywhere but AA would be a good amount of time I think. Honestly I don't think we will settle on this contract. That will give me 6 months at least to save and prepare. Maybe Continental unionizing will help our cause. I don't understand why we can't use the same tactic the company is using and sandbag them till the economy improves. Better to keep what we have and have a better jumping off point in better times then to take a bunch of concessions and be even further behind than we are now. Im hoping that the Continental situation will allow us to raise fares, and increase thier wages making our airlines more in sync from a competative standpoint. Also I hear BA does'nt want to join AA with thier labor relation problems. Do you guys think that will work to our advantage?

Good Morning,

Where did you hear that BA does'nt want to join with us, due to our labor issues. I've yet to read or heard that one. If anyone has issues they are at the top, their CEO or whatever he is will stop at nothing to break the F/A union. Maybe he's scared we might be sucsessful..and we will -APFA you to at TWU , confidence my friend. 🙂

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Oh you know how it is. Rumors start flying around and you hear this here, hear that there. Someone told me that BA didn't want to get involved with AA with thier labor problems and put any talks on hold until AA settled with them or it came to some kind of conclusion. I don't know if this is true or not, However, AA aproached the TWU about 2 days after I heard the rumor, wanting to start talks again. So at the time that seemed to lend some logical consideration of said rumor. Once I saw the T/A though I must say i was pretty confused. It seems like more of a slap in the face than an honest attempt to come to some sort of resolution.

I know alot of mechanics are not for recombineing our contracts. I see alot of pro AMFA and have heard some outright hostile opinions of the clerks (I'm sure this hostile group is a minority). But honestly if Fleet and Mechs were to reunite into one collective bargaining agreement American would dare not push us this way. After all that would basically shut all ground operations off throughout the system if we were to strike. No mail, no cargo, no AOG equipment, no repairs, no maintanace, no deicing, no pushbacks, No parking incoming aircraft. Its a shame because our customers are the ones that really get hurt when that happens. So they too feel the effects of COMPANY GREED in a direct and lasting way. The stress this has caused our employees, and thier general lack of morale in the public eye has really hurt our customers veiw of us. I for one really, REALLY do care about our customers. After all thats who really pays the bills around here (wherever you may live). American's execs are so focused on lowering cost and keeping thier bonuses that the damage they do to our reputation is an afterthought. I would like to think that we live in a world where a reputation still means something.

Here is an idea. I don't know about all cities but we have a union picknick where we reserve a local water park for 1 day for all of our members.What if instead of us going ourselves we give tickets to the public. Once there we can inform them of the inherrent dangers of doing aircraft maintanace overseas. We can show them an example of how airlines are putting thier lives in dangers with unchecked and unregulated maintanace. We can show them how the airlines outsourceing that work is hurting the American economy. The public gets a free, fun filled, exciteing day. And we get a chance to get our message out and grab some headlines. It helps our employer, it helps the employees, it helps our customers , it helps the American economy. Lets put value on our talanted mechanics jobs (not just AA but all of the mechanics that have lost thier jobs to outsourceing). Its a serious job that takes a lot of skill sets and experience. Its not something that should be farmed out to the cheapest bidder.

 

[1AA]

The problem is that the airline is run by people who are NOT Airline People. The customers always look for BEST price and Schedule. The union runs its house like a Business, not a true union that has to take financial risks from time to time. With all that said we end up with one concessionary contract after another and many fellow union members actually drink the Kool-Aid.
The TWU has to change from within to be an effective union for the members. This will not happen. We need to change unions that serves the needs of the members. This is difficult to do. We need to get rid of the I Got Mine attitude from the members and union leadership. This will never happen. The end result is one concessionary contract after another and you will like it because we are lucky to have a job. This is what we always hear. Unless we can stand together on one issue even though every T/A has different interests and needs to every member we just rant and rave about it. Divide and Conquer has always been the TWU game to get Contracts passed. Then its our fault because we voted for it. Same story different day on the calendar. But I agree with your opinion. I will still vote NO.

 

[FrequentFlierCA]

Run Forrest, run! Right the unemployment line!

 

[Large Grey]

Run Forrest, run! Right the unemployment line!

I was looking for a job when I found this one, and my toolbox has wheels. Screw these ass-hats and their paltry offers that don't even keep up with enlisted military pay.

 

[Large Grey]

By Maria Recio

mrecio@mcclatchydc.com

NEW YORK — AMR Corp.’s annual meeting, designed to showcase American Airlines’ growing New York City presence, was a largely uneventful and sparsely attended event on the east side of Manhattan.

AMR Chairman Gerard Arpey credited workers for the carrier’s improved performance, but warned the airline had to be able to overcome $600 million in labor cost disparity compared to its competitors.

American recently reached tentative agreements with the Transport Workers Union and faces tough negotiations with the flight attendants, and later this year, with the pilots’ union. The flight attendants voted Wednesday in favor of a strike, in the event it is allowed to do so by federal regulations.

In a federal securities filing Wednesday, AMR said its focus on five markets - New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Dallas/Fort Worth, and Miami – and business alliances with foreign carriers “will result in incremental revenues and cost savings of over $500 million per year.” The major savings will be felt in 2011, it said.

The carrier also said the labor cost gap will likely “narrow as open industry labor contracts are settled.”

In one of the few discordant notes at the meeting, Arpey was challenged by a member of the Professional Flight Attendants Association, which represents American’s flight attendants, on increased medical costs cutting into workers’ pay.

“We’ve got to stop this destruction of the middle class,” said Patrick Hancock, a Dallas//Fort Worth-based flight attendant.

Arpey responded that other carriers had abrogated labor contracts through bankruptcies that left American with the $600 million disparity. American stayed out of bankruptcy in 2003 after workers accepted deep cuts.

“A company that’s not competitive I don’t think is going to be successful,” Arpey said.

Several TWU members who attended the meeting suggested that the tentative agreements might not be ratified.

“I’m telling my people vote ‘no,’ “ said Chuck Schalk, a New York local official. But the TWU assistant director, Robert Gless, said the agreement “is a major enhancement to what we’ve been seeing.”

The Allied Pilots Association released a statement citing the “leadership vacuum” at the carrier.


Robert Gless is out of touch with mechanic's requirements for a contract. Tell TWU to stick it and take their company feed bag someplace else.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Funny it cost so much to PAY us but they can GIVE away the majority of a 2 BILLION dollar bail out to JAPAN airlines. So we cost 600 million too much money after BILLIONS in concessions. I have an idea how about instead of GIVING JAPAN 2 BILLION dollars they give us what they freaking owe us. How about that? As far as I am concerned AMERICAN just gave away our concessions so apparently they don't need them after all, yet there asking for even more.. Frankly I would love to see American get sued by its employees for gross fraudulent claims to procure concessions.. So since 2001 they are super broke but they 1.Bought TWA, 2. Bought new aircraft, 3. The execs got huge bonuses and, 4. They gave Japan the majority of a 2 billion dollar bailout. Yeah really sounds like there hurting......................................

Privatized gains, socialized losses.

 

[Tex-Mech]

I’m telling my people vote ‘no,’ “ said Chuck Schalk, a New York local official. But the TWU assistant director, Robert Gless, said the agreement “is a major enhancement to what we’ve been seeing.”

If this isn't the story of the past 27 years of TWU negotiating, I don't know what is. Other than the contracts of course. :angry:

 

[Birdman]

Surely someone's relative in one of the locals could type this t/a up in a more timely manner for a minimal fee. Could it be the "sweeteners" are still being added to this sour concoction?