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The NMB Ballot if you get one at AMR will have 4 Options. (1) TWU (2) IBT (3) Write In (4) No Representation. If no one retains 51% of the voters, then I believe there would be a run off of the top two. If the IBT did not get the required 51% cards signed there might not be a need for the NMB. IMO I hope that is the case so we can get the TWU/IAM Contract moving forward and done before we all turn grey.
 
I know some of you follow the US airways forum, but some of you don't. A US mechanic has posted that in his opinion he believes there will be 300 or more votes (I am assuming "write-ins" for AMFA) for AMFA. It sounds to me there may possibly be a quiet "WRITE-IN" campaign going on at US. Hopefully there is. If there is no election at AA, then hopefully the US guys could get enough support to get AMFA on the run-off ballot, and could get AMFA in at US. Trust me I know it sounds, and is a long shot, but, think about it. If AMFA gets in at US due to a "WRITE-IN" option, and the NMB rejects the teamsters request for an election at AA, then there will be another chance for AMFA to represent both US and AA after a merger. Am I wrong here? I know about the time restrictions after a union has been challenged for representational elections, however, does that not change things after a merger as long as both sides get the amount of cards required? Just tossing around all options and possibilities. Also, if this is the case, wouldn't AMFA be involved just a little bit to help spread the word? Or maybe they are, and there is a quiet campaign for "WRITE -IN AMFA". Your opinions would be greatly appreciated on this issue.
 
AMR Union Election Delayed By Forgery Charge and Voter Challenge


BY Ted Reed | 07/10/13 - 05:01 AM EDT


CHARLOTTE, N.C. (TheStreet) - Two months after the Teamsters Union called for a union election among mechanics at American (AAMRQ.PK), federal officials are still trying to determine whether the union has submitted enough signatures.

The Transport Workers Union says it is challenging the authenticity of signatures the Teamsters have submitted, while the Teamsters are challenging the list of eligible voters, submitted by the airline, from which the National Mediation Board is working.
what this says to me is that the Teamsters filed short and have to challenge the list because they dont have the cards for an election. If they had enough cards they would not a need to challenge the eligibility list.
 
Maybe the guys running AMFA right now aren't really all that enthused about the two saddest groups of mechanics in the industry-AA and US becoming the majority?

If I were at SWA I would have mixed feelings about it, sure as a professional I would think its great to see more and more mechanics join AMFA and hope that a win at AA-US would set things in motion to regain UA and get CO, and then who knows maybe even Delta. Thats idealism, but on the more pragmatic side I'd be concerned if the weakest groups of mechanics, those who have shown they are willing to give away everything just to have a place to go to work to everyday, were to suddenly outnumber "us" who have made steady improvements over the years, by a very wide margin.

Yes its selfish, but thats human nature. Don't know the guys running AMFA so I cant say one way or another whether idealism and commitment to the profession trumps their immediate personal situation.

Grass roots is fine, its a convenient excuse and the commitment shown by those volunteers across the industry to make AMFA a force within the profession and the industry is admirable but it would be nice to see AMFA as an organization mature to the point where they actually did mount aggressive campaigns to unite the profession instead of relying on volunteers who in addition to time often use their own money.

One thing you cant take away from the IBT is they spent some money. Still would rather not go to them but they did spend.
 
A union is as strong as its members. We heard this over the years. The problem is the Industrial unions supporting the M&R groups are divided and beaten down by our own unions leaders. If we should get AMFA on the property then maybe the members will realize that we are the union and will have more say. This might spark more support. We will never know until we give AMFA a try. We all know this but are too lazy or preoccupied to put some effort into it.
 
Just Another BK said:
From what I heard a lot of the Teamster cards signed at US were from laid off employees who were harassed into signing cards. Guys that have moved on into other careers just signed cards to get rid of them off their doorsteps. Most of them probably won't even vote. It wouldn't surprise me a bit that the IBT loses the 51% of cards signed ruling at AA. Another black eye for the Teamsters : http://www.reuters.c...E96818B20130709
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. Today is the 16th. Any word from the NMB?
 
Thomas Paine said:
Maybe the guys running AMFA right now aren't really all that enthused about the two saddest groups of mechanics in the industry-AA and US becoming the majority?

If I were at SWA I would have mixed feelings about it, sure as a professional I would think its great to see more and more mechanics join AMFA and hope that a win at AA-US would set things in motion to regain UA and get CO, and then who knows maybe even Delta. Thats idealism, but on the more pragmatic side I'd be concerned if the weakest groups of mechanics, those who have shown they are willing to give away everything just to have a place to go to work to everyday, were to suddenly outnumber "us" who have made steady improvements over the years, by a very wide margin.

Yes its selfish, but thats human nature. Don't know the guys running AMFA so I cant say one way or another whether idealism and commitment to the profession trumps their immediate personal situation.

Grass roots is fine, its a convenient excuse and the commitment shown by those volunteers across the industry to make AMFA a force within the profession and the industry is admirable but it would be nice to see AMFA as an organization mature to the point where they actually did mount aggressive campaigns to unite the profession instead of relying on volunteers who in addition to time often use their own money.

One thing you cant take away from the IBT is they spent some money. Still would rather not go to them but they did spend.
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Hey T.P. your post brings up some good points. As an AA mech I can't speak for US folks but can pass some AA perspectives. "on the more pragmatic side I'd be concerned if the weakest groups of mechanics, those who have shown they are willing to give away everything just to have a place to go to work to everyday, were to suddenly outnumber "us" I cannot deny this wasn't the mindset of many over the years here at AA. What's not known to many outsiders is that this was primarily the attitude of our maintenence folks at our ovrhl base in TUL who until recently held our majority when it came to voting. This 'don't upset the apple cart' mentality would be abused repeatedly over the years when the TWBoo would assist the company in nailing down a pos contract. Now after seeing the present threat to ovrhl with outsourcing, they are coming around. As an indication, we're certain more AMFA cards were signed this year out of TUL than the IBT received.
Your point of AMFA putting together a formal Organizing Commitee is spot on. Louie's inability to respond timely to some of our requests, of what I believe was his need for membership approval, and rightly so, will hopefully be put to the AMFA membership for approval at some point. I can confirm that many of us here at AA put personal resources into the cause.
Lastly, your reference to the giving credit to the IBT for their spending. I've heard some obscene numbers as to the spending on the AA campaign. How many of their membership would agree with it? I would believe this is the same strategy of spending and deal making that now jeopordizes their pension funds and Union as a whole. Maybe that's just something you concede for all that POWER, hmff.
 
I find it very odd that the NMB has not reach a decision on calling for an election, or not. Next Tues will be 8 full weeks since they received the filings. I cannot recall the NMB ever taking this long to have a decision made. They have said they are postponing for now. You would think if they knew of the forgery of cards they would just throw the entire election out the door. It is safe to assume that they are going thru the cards to verify all sigs, and it may still be close to an election after ironing out all the forgeries, as well as the fight against the eligibility list? Other wise why haven't they just canceled the election? Just wondering if there could still be an election since they have not canceled it yet? Or, could the NMB be stalling an election until after merger at companies request? Very odd that it is taking this long, but then again they are investigating a forgery charge against the teamsters.
 
The NMB, IBT and TWU met yesterday to investigate the fraudulent cards and the 1,300 challenges filed by the ibt.
 
700UW said:
The NMB, IBT and TWU met yesterday to investigate the fraudulent cards and the 1,300 challenges filed by the ibt.
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The 1300 being challenged by ibt is the eligibility list correct? Has anyone heard about how many are being investigated for forgery or fraudulent cards?
 
I recall about 400 cards being forged but not definite on that number. The 1300 is mostly guys on furlough and recall rights. Funny how the teamsters banged on doors of furloughed guys at united but do not want them on the list at AA. Sounds like the teamsters are not going to win these challenges. We should hear something soon. It has been almost two months since the filing. I think the NMB wants to get it right when they deny the teamsters a vote.
 
Thomas Paine said:
Maybe the guys running AMFA right now aren't really all that enthused about the two saddest groups of mechanics in the industry-AA and US becoming the majority?

If I were at SWA I would have mixed feelings about it, sure as a professional I would think its great to see more and more mechanics join AMFA and hope that a win at AA-US would set things in motion to regain UA and get CO, and then who knows maybe even Delta. Thats idealism, but on the more pragmatic side I'd be concerned if the weakest groups of mechanics, those who have shown they are willing to give away everything just to have a place to go to work to everyday, were to suddenly outnumber "us" who have made steady improvements over the years, by a very wide margin.

Yes its selfish, but thats human nature. Don't know the guys running AMFA so I cant say one way or another whether idealism and commitment to the profession trumps their immediate personal situation.

Grass roots is fine, its a convenient excuse and the commitment shown by those volunteers across the industry to make AMFA a force within the profession and the industry is admirable but it would be nice to see AMFA as an organization mature to the point where they actually did mount aggressive campaigns to unite the profession instead of relying on volunteers who in addition to time often use their own money.

One thing you cant take away from the IBT is they spent some money. Still would rather not go to them but they did spend.
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You must understand that the TWU uses fear to sway voters in Tulsa. They convince them that their jobs will be gone if they vote no.
 
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