TWU,TEAMSTERS AND AA

[Anomaly]

The 1300 being challenged by ibt is the eligibility list correct? Has anyone heard about how many are being investigated for forgery or fraudulent cards?

According to our union office, the IBT has not been made aware of the specific allegations or the number of cards in question. The TWU is said to have a "smoking gun" that will be revealed at the appropriate time. Just what I heard...

Have any of you considered maybe the NMB is waiting for the outcome of the US Air election before making a determination if a vote is to happen or not? Could finding out that there will be a vote at AA somehow sway those voting at US? Just speculating so don't get all worked up about it, but maybe?? Sure seems like there is more to the delay than verifying signatures.

 

[swamt]

According to our union office, the IBT has not been made aware of the specific allegations or the number of cards in question. The TWU is said to have a "smoking gun" that will be revealed at the appropriate time. Just what I heard...

Have any of you considered maybe the NMB is waiting for the outcome of the US Air election before making a determination if a vote is to happen or not? Could finding out that there will be a vote at AA somehow sway those voting at US? Just speculating so don't get all worked up about it, but maybe?? Sure seems like there is more to the delay than verifying signatures.

I would seriously doubt that the NMB is waiting for voting results from another airline. There most definitely would be a longer delay due to an investigation of forgery of cards. You say according to "our union office" The way you talk, you are already with the teamsters. Currently the TWU is representing AA mechanics, so just what union office are you talking about. It's already been put out that the delay is tied to the forgery/fraudulent cards that the teamsters have collected. But I can see where they would rather not admit such a fiascoe. I too would have indicated that I was not aware of anything.

 

[TWU informer]

Government oversight, Hoffa guilty of buying votes, Lies about opening contract, and forgery of cards to get an election. And you can pay more in Union Dues to have this type of representation.

 

[Anomaly]

I would seriously doubt that the NMB is waiting for voting results from another airline. There most definitely would be a longer delay due to an investigation of forgery of cards. You say according to "our union office" The way you talk, you are already with the teamsters. Currently the TWU is representing AA mechanics, so just what union office are you talking about. It's already been put out that the delay is tied to the forgery/fraudulent cards that the teamsters have collected. But I can see where they would rather not admit such a fiascoe. I too would have indicated that I was not aware of anything.

I should have figured you would find a way to complicate and insert a political statement in to such a simple statement.

In normal circumstances I might agree to your first sentence, but in this case the two airlines will almost certainty be merged shortly. There most definitely is a correlation between the election at AA and the one at US that should not be discounted. If announcing at the beginning of the US election that your future co-workers will also be voting on the same matter would it change or sway the probably outcome of the election? Possibly? Look, I am not saying that this is an absolute reason for the NMB delay, it is just a speculation that makes a little bit of sense.

To your second point; Our union office refers to the UA mechanics and our union office in SFO that I recently had a chance to visit. There were several local IBT reps in the office and I asked the question about the forgery subject out loud. As a Teamster union member, I too would like to know if there is any truth to this. The representatives in this room (none of which are directly involved in organizing) felt the same way. According to them, the International has been trying to get the details of the accusation but have been unable to do so. The facts of the case remain private between the TWU and the NMB. Neither group is willing to make these claims public.

 

[Anomaly]

Government oversight, Hoffa guilty of buying votes, Lies about opening contract, and forgery of cards to get an election. And you can pay more in Union Dues to have this type of representation.

Fist line of your link:

UPCOMING EVENT
To Be Determined

You kill me dude

go amfa??? The little association that couldn't even try... 🙄 🙄 🙄

 

[1AA]

Letter from NMB Referencing Case No. R-7365 AA/IBT/TWU


July 20, 2013

Published 19 Jul, 2013


Participants:
On May 28, 2013, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters-Airline Division (IBT) filed an application and authorization cards alleging a representation dispute involving the Mechanics and Related Employees of American Airlines (Carrier). The employees in question are currently represented by the Transport Workers Union (TWU). Also on May 28, 2013, the Carrier filed a List of Potential Eligible Voters (List) and signature samples of the potential eligible voters.
After examining the authorization cards submitted by the IBT, the undersigned directed that IBT and TWU file challenges to the List or objections with regard to any other matters.
On July 18, 2013, the TWU and IBT jointly requested an extension of time to file their challenges and objections. The request is granted and any challenges and objections must be filed with the Board by 4 p.m. ET on July 23, 2013. Responses to challenges or objections, if any, must be filed by 4 p.m., ET, on August 6, 2013. IBT and TWU are reminded that they must incorporate by reference any previously-filed challenges, objections, and supporting data. Failure to incorporate such allegations by reference will result in the Investigators finding those issues are no longer part of the investigation.
Sincerely,
Maria-Kate Dowling
Investigator
Norman L. Graber
Investigator

 

[Just Another BK]

I'm curious as to how the TWU members feel about their representation now that a potential check for $16,500 is within reach of their collective wallets. If and when that stock price rises it will potentially be worth thousands more. Not bad for a short term BK hit until the merger takes place and a new combined CBA can be reached detailing a big three carrier pay scale. The combined carrier will be making big money and passing it on to the rightfully deserving employees when the new business model kicks in.

 

[TRAVIS]

Letter from NMB Referencing Case No. R-7365 AA/IBT/TWU


July 20, 2013

Published 19 Jul, 2013


Participants:
On May 28, 2013, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters-Airline Division (IBT) filed an application and authorization cards alleging a representation dispute involving the Mechanics and Related Employees of American Airlines (Carrier). The employees in question are currently represented by the Transport Workers Union (TWU). Also on May 28, 2013, the Carrier filed a List of Potential Eligible Voters (List) and signature samples of the potential eligible voters.
After examining the authorization cards submitted by the IBT, the undersigned directed that IBT and TWU file challenges to the List or objections with regard to any other matters.
On July 18, 2013, the TWU and IBT jointly requested an extension of time to file their challenges and objections. The request is granted and any challenges and objections must be filed with the Board by 4 p.m. ET on July 23, 2013. Responses to challenges or objections, if any, must be filed by 4 p.m., ET, on August 6, 2013. IBT and TWU are reminded that they must incorporate by reference any previously-filed challenges, objections, and supporting data. Failure to incorporate such allegations by reference will result in the Investigators finding those issues are no longer part of the investigation.
Sincerely,
Maria-Kate Dowling
Investigator
Norman L. Graber
Investigator

Not Quite What You Wanted To Read Now Is It......

VOTE IBT!

Have A Nice IBT Day!!

 

[T-bone]

Hello everyone I am new to your AA site I am a US Airways mechanic.

I find it interesting that the mediation board did not postpone the representation election at US as when we looked for furloughed persons and could not find them as they had moved several time etc. and the IBT had signed cards from these missing persons. How did they come up with signitures?

 

[T-bone]

I also find it interesting that persons will write something like, "Money Talks Low Wage Walks IAMTWU GOT TO GO," without looking at other facts. Like, the mechanics at US Airways currently enjoy an extremely good pension the finest in the aviation industry the, IAM multi-employer pension fund, one of the highest regarded pensions in the nation. The IAM pension has early out options and a $85.46 multiplier. The IBT pension has no early out and a $49 multiplier.

Compare that with the compensation package at UAL that has no pension and obviously the UAL people need to dump a huge pile of money into a 401 to come anywhere close to the IAM pension. This along with the fact that the IBT people lied to the UAL personnel about their silver chalice Western Conference Pension the WCT which never materialized (there is no pension at UAL after 5 years).

Couple that with the UAL loss of seniority security (they have not after 5 years of IBT representation been integrated by seniority in their systems and the IBT appointed negotiator gave away furloughed mechanics seniority rights.)

Further, the mechanics at UAL lost a bunch of democratic representation, as the IBT has appointed the UAL negotiators and leadership (they were not elected by the membership), and all their locals are usually hundreds of miles from their work stations, i.e. Orlando’s local is Miami.

So, obviously anyone can see as a compensation package the IAM’s is hands down superior compared to anything the IBT can offer. And the agreements between the TWU and the IAM will work to secure that pension for all the mechanics and a first rate wage scale along with seniority and scope protection. In short a compensation package commensurate with the largest airline in the world.

Add to this the arrest of Teamster bosses in New York City last week for racketeering, (they are charged with using union money to finance organized crime and extorting money from their own membership amongst other charges)—and one needs to ask the question to AA employee’s, is this what you really want. To be represented by the IBT the most corrupt union in American history. And people who have lied about every major issue—Think about it my friends, your and our futures depend on it—Do not be duped by Teamster raider’s like our brothers at UAL were!

 

[Anomaly]

I also find it interesting that persons will write something like, "Money Talks Low Wage Walks IAMTWU GOT TO GO," without looking at other facts. Like, the mechanics at US Airways currently enjoy an extremely good pension the finest in the aviation industry the, IAM multi-employer pension fund, one of the highest regarded pensions in the nation. The IAM pension has early out options and a $85.46 multiplier. The IBT pension has no early out and a $49 multiplier.

Compare that with the compensation package at UAL that has no pension and obviously the UAL people need to dump a huge pile of money into a 401 to come anywhere close to the IAM pension. This along with the fact that the IBT people lied to the UAL personnel about their silver chalice Western Conference Pension the WCT which never materialized (there is no pension at UAL after 5 years).

Couple that with the UAL loss of seniority security (they have not after 5 years of IBT representation been integrated by seniority in their systems and the IBT appointed negotiator gave away furloughed mechanics seniority rights.)

Further, the mechanics at UAL lost a bunch of democratic representation, as the IBT has appointed the UAL negotiators and leadership (they were not elected by the membership), and all their locals are usually hundreds of miles from their work stations, i.e. Orlando’s local is Miami.

So, obviously anyone can see as a compensation package the IAM’s is hands down superior compared to anything the IBT can offer. And the agreements between the TWU and the IAM will work to secure that pension for all the mechanics and a first rate wage scale along with seniority and scope protection. In short a compensation package commensurate with the largest airline in the world.

Add to this the arrest of Teamster bosses in New York City last week for racketeering, (they are charged with using union money to finance organized crime and extorting money from their own membership amongst other charges)—and one needs to ask the question to AA employee’s, is this what you really want. To be represented by the IBT the most corrupt union in American history. And people who have lied about every major issue—Think about it my friends, your and our futures depend on it—Do not be duped by Teamster raider’s like our brothers at UAL were!

T-Bone... for a new guy you sure do bring along a huge load of crap. I can only guess you are one of the same recycled players with a different name. You talk about an IBT $49 multiplier. What is that? I am an IBT mechanic at UA and I do not know about any multiplier. Yup, that's right meathead, we have NO PENSION. Say what you want but we thank the IAM and AMFA for that. The IBT had nothing to do with that.

Does our current 401K defined contribution plan match your defined benefit? NO. IT DOES NOT, AND AS I SAID BEFORE WE CAN THANK THE IAM FOR THEIR PART IN LOOSING OUR PENSIONS. Yup, the IAM sat idly by while our pensions went down the toilet and readily blamed amfa for the loss. I am not defending amfa because they should have done more to stop it, but any of you nimrods who do not see that the IAM was originally to blame are simply stupid. The IAM set us up and they knew it. They knew we were going to drop them for amfa and let our pensions flush down the toilet. Now after all is said and done, the IAM is he first to blame the Teamsters for the loss? STFU

You bird brains sure are quick to blame the one union who had nothing to do with any of this in order to save those that brought it upon us. You are incredibly stupid, but that is obviously a trait you are comfortable with.

Rather than dwell on the past, lets look at improvements over the last two years. What have you gotten at US Air and American? How you doin' there pally? Had any substantial pay raises in the last few years? We are near $40 an hour with FREE medical and a decent 401K company contribution plus 7 weeks of vacation and incredibly lucrative field trip pay. Many mechanics have made over $100K this year already and all of us have made more money straight time than we ever have. My pay check after taxes is around $3,000 every two weeks. How are you doing? That's right, our pension is not the best, but guess what? We can now afford to save money, invest money, pay down debt, and live comfortably NOW. You all think the IAM is the way to go? No problem. Keep them and keep them away from us. While you have your $84.00 multiplier, know that you will have to work an additional 10 years before you can afford to retire with your current wage. Have fun with that.

 

[Anomaly]

Letter from NMB Referencing Case No. R-7365 AA/IBT/TWU


July 20, 2013

Published 19 Jul, 2013


Participants:
On May 28, 2013, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters-Airline Division (IBT) filed an application and authorization cards alleging a representation dispute involving the Mechanics and Related Employees of American Airlines (Carrier). The employees in question are currently represented by the Transport Workers Union (TWU). Also on May 28, 2013, the Carrier filed a List of Potential Eligible Voters (List) and signature samples of the potential eligible voters.
After examining the authorization cards submitted by the IBT, the undersigned directed that IBT and TWU file challenges to the List or objections with regard to any other matters.
On July 18, 2013, the TWU and IBT jointly requested an extension of time to file their challenges and objections. The request is granted and any challenges and objections must be filed with the Board by 4 p.m. ET on July 23, 2013. Responses to challenges or objections, if any, must be filed by 4 p.m., ET, on August 6, 2013. IBT and TWU are reminded that they must incorporate by reference any previously-filed challenges, objections, and supporting data. Failure to incorporate such allegations by reference will result in the Investigators finding those issues are no longer part of the investigation.
Sincerely,
Maria-Kate Dowling
Investigator
Norman L. Graber
Investigator

Apparently my hypothesis was wrong. Thanks for this post 1AA.

.....Weird for you to post something truthful?? Feeling a little honest today?

 

[TRAVIS]

I also find it interesting that persons will write something like, "Money Talks Low Wage Walks IAMTWU GOT TO GO,"

700UW YOU ARE A REAL TOOL LOL. YOU USED THAT SCREEN NAME BACK IN THE AWA MERGER...TRICKEY RICKEY

 

[Anomaly]

700UW YOU ARE A REAL TOOL LOL. YOU USED THAT SCREEN NAME BACK IN THE AWA MERGER...TRICKEY RICKEY

Good catch. This guy calls himself NEW to this, but a Google search shows the following.

T-bone

Member Since 15 Feb 2003

Search his name in this site and you find plenty of posts on the AA threads.

Another political liar.

 

[Thomas Paine]

I'm curious as to how the TWU members feel about their representation now that a potential check for $16,500 is within reach of their collective wallets. If and when that stock price rises it will potentially be worth thousands more. Not bad for a short term BK hit until the merger takes place and a new combined CBA can be reached detailing a big three carrier pay scale. The combined carrier will be making big money and passing it on to the rightfully deserving employees when the new business model kicks in.

You must not have heard that the TWU lost profit sharing in exchange for a wage increase that still leaves the TWU at the bottom of the industry. So no matter how well AA does we will still be at the bottom of the industry.
Didn't I read that the UAL guys got around $40k plus they kept a lot of language that we lost such as Vacation, Holiday Pay, OT rules, Double-time, and retiree medical?

People like Parker are not very good at sharing. They will take credit for the Billions in profits and keep it all for themselves.