TWU,TEAMSTERS AND AA

[Anomaly]

After my last post, I decided to pay a quick visit to the WCTPP site. ......Not every airline job is restricted.... you say?

http://www.wctpensio...pensionBenRules

Directly from the working after retirement section.

Suspendible Employment

[background=#e5e5e5]EXPLANATION OF SUSPENDIBLE EMPLOYMENT
Suspendible Covered Employment
Your covered employment as a retiree is suspendible employment if it meets all of the following tests. The work must be in:[/background]​

• A trade or craft in which you worked at any time while covered by the Plan before your retirement, and
  
• Any industry covered by the Plan when you retired (even if you never worked in that industry before retirement), and
  
• Any geographic area covered by the Plan when you retired (even if you worked in a different location before retirement).

Definition of covered employment: This is work you perform for an employer who is obligated to make contributions to the Pension Trust on your behalf under a pension agreement.
Suspendible Non-covered Employment
Your non-covered employment (including self-employment) is suspendible employment if it meets all of the following tests. The work must be in:

• A trade or craft in which you worked at any time while covered by the Plan before your retirement, and
  
• An industry in which you worked at any time while covered by the Plan before your retirement, and
  
• Any geographic area covered by the Plan when you retired (even if you worked in a different location before retirement).

Definition of non-covered employment: This is work you perform that is not covered under a pension agreement.



Once again it seems you don't know what you're talking about.

Read it carefully. [background=#e5e5e5]Your covered employment as a retiree is suspendible employment if it meets all of the following tests.[/background]

This is exactly what was explained to me over the phone. There are many places I could work even in the aviation field that would not automatically suspend benefits. We are not in the plan, however, so what is your point?

 

[TRAVIS]

That's Why They Call It Retirement at age 65

The Plan’s suspension of benefits rule applies if you are under age 65 and receiving an age retirement benefit. After you turn age 65, these rules don’t apply to you. You can work as much as you want, in any kind of job, without worrying about forfeiting your monthly benefit.

http://www.wctpensio...pensionBenRules

So has he said: what is your point!

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

That's Why They Call It Retirement at age 65

The Plan’s suspension of benefits rule applies if you are under age 65 and receiving an age retirement benefit. After you turn age 65, these rules don’t apply to you. You can work as much as you want, in any kind of job, without worrying about forfeiting your monthly benefit.

http://www.wctpensio...pensionBenRules

So has he said: what is your point!

Hey "genius" some of us have plans on retiring BEFORE 65!

 

[TRAVIS]

Well "genius to keep working is not retiring! Why would you want to leave this HIGH PAYING JOB to start over...


Definition of RETIRE

intransitive verb

1

: to withdraw from action or danger : retreat​

2

: to withdraw especially for privacy <retired to her room>​

3

: to move back : recede​

4

: to withdraw from one's position or occupation : conclude one's working or professional career​

 

[blue collar]

T-Bone... for a new guy you sure do bring along a huge load of crap. I can only guess you are one of the same recycled players with a different name. You talk about an IBT $49 multiplier. What is that? I am an IBT mechanic at UA and I do not know about any multiplier. Yup, that's right meathead, we have NO PENSION. Say what you want but we thank the IAM and AMFA for that. The IBT had nothing to do with that.

Does our current 401K defined contribution plan match your defined benefit? NO. IT DOES NOT, AND AS I SAID BEFORE WE CAN THANK THE IAM FOR THEIR PART IN LOOSING OUR PENSIONS. Yup, the IAM sat idly by while our pensions went down the toilet and readily blamed amfa for the loss. I am not defending amfa because they should have done more to stop it, but any of you nimrods who do not see that the IAM was originally to blame are simply stupid. The IAM set us up and they knew it. They knew we were going to drop them for amfa and let our pensions flush down the toilet. Now after all is said and done, the IAM is he first to blame the Teamsters for the loss? STFU

You bird brains sure are quick to blame the one union who had nothing to do with any of this in order to save those that brought it upon us. You are incredibly stupid, but that is obviously a trait you are comfortable with.

Rather than dwell on the past, lets look at improvements over the last two years. What have you gotten at US Air and American? How you doin' there pally? Had any substantial pay raises in the last few years? We are near $40 an hour with FREE medical and a decent 401K company contribution plus 7 weeks of vacation and incredibly lucrative field trip pay. Many mechanics have made over $100K this year already and all of us have made more money straight time than we ever have. My pay check after taxes is around $3,000 every two weeks. How are you doing? That's right, our pension is not the best, but guess what? We can now afford to save money, invest money, pay down debt, and live comfortably NOW. You all think the IAM is the way to go? No problem. Keep them and keep them away from us. While you have your $84.00 multiplier, know that you will have to work an additional 10 years before you can afford to retire with your current wage. Have fun with that.

So, after all the blame, why didn't the teamsters get you a pension on this last deal you signed? I mean, that WAS one of their promises, right?

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

Well "genius to keep working is not retiring! Why would you want to leave this HIGH PAYING JOB to start over...

People often work after retiring, why do you think they have the language in the plan in the first place? Are you truly that ignorant?

 

[T-bone]

The pension is funded at $2 an hour it's not based on 30, 40, or 50 dollars an hour. The $2 per hour company funding gets you the 85.46 mulitplier. You can't retire and work for the same company. If you are retiring why do you want to work?

I'm glad 700 is still around pretty sharp mind. Anyone with half a wit could easily look up investment info that shows no 401 on the planet can match a defined plan, in spite of the asumtion that we are all smarter than everyone else.

You can call me a political liar or what ever you want, just be smart enough to go to the web a look up the arrest of the Teamster bosses and their Bonnamo family couter parts in New York last week and note that the reamsters are still walking hand in hand with organized crime. Then if you are really stupid enough to bet your own money and career on them, then well God bless you.

700 Glad to know you are still in business I have read a lot of meat headed bs here a sane mind is a welcome comfort.

 

[blue collar]

T bone-
If you think 700 is a voice of reason then you must be too far gone. I'm not an Ibt advocate, but 700 is an IAM shill. Anyone can see that...

 

[700UW]

Read this:

 

[psa8979]

Blue Collar. 700UW is trying to get you and other Teamster Supporters to use Logic and not Emotion. PSA employees were ALL under Teamster contracts except the ALPA Pilots. WE had great Contracts negotiated by Marv G. until the Merger with US/Piedmont.The Teamster Airline Division back then is not the T.A.D of today.Voting Teamsters now will only help AMR Group Inc. and the IBT . You and your Brothers at AMR will only be helping the Teamsters pay for their broken promises they have made to their current and retired Members. Our advise is don't make this a protest vote against the IAM/TWU that will get you NOTHING ! Contracts Now . Contracts for ALL.

 

[blue collar]

Blue Collar. 700UW is trying to get you and other Teamster Supporters to use Logic and not Emotion. PSA employees were ALL under Teamster contracts except the ALPA Pilots. WE had great Contracts negotiated by Marv G. until the Merger with US/Piedmont.The Teamster Airline Division back then is not the T.A.D of today.Voting Teamsters now will only help AMR Group Inc. and the IBT . You and your Brothers at AMR will only be helping the Teamsters pay for their broken promises they have made to their current and retired Members. Our advise is don't make this a protest vote against the IAM/TWU that will get you NOTHING ! Contracts Now . Contracts for ALL.

You must have me confused with someone else. I am not a teamster supporter. I also am not a huge fan of the IAM, however I would take them over the Ibt.

 

[swamt]

Come on guys, didn't you read the "know it all's" answer to the delay?



This guy kills me 🙄 🙄 🙄

Take note; both unions have requested an extension. This is not the NMB delaying the results. Never have I claimed to know everything. And I will post a correction if I am wrong, and as I have.

 

[swamt]

So, after all the blame, why didn't the teamsters get you a pension on this last deal you signed? I mean, that WAS one of their promises, right?

Not only the pension was promised. But the teamsters promised UAL guys "industry leading pay and bennies". They still have neither, zilch, natta...

 

[FWAAA]

Read this:

Thanks for posting this. Stupid-ass teamsters writers can't differentiate between "affect" and "effect." "Affecting" is the word they were thinking of, but in their ignorance, they wrote "effecting." From the first paragraph:

THE AMT&rsquo;S AT AMERICAN HAVE FOUGHT HARD TO OBTAIN SOLID CONTRACT​

LANGUAGE PROHIBITING ANY ACQUIRED AIRLINE PERSONNEL FROM ADVERSELY​

EFFECTING AA MECHANIC AND RELATED EMPLOYEES.

 

[700UW]

700UW YOU ARE A REAL TOOL LOL. YOU USED THAT SCREEN NAME BACK IN THE AWA MERGER...TRICKEY RICKEY

Hey to break it to you, but thats not me.

I post under this name and this name only.

I hope you fix planes better than you deduct reasoning, cause you are totally wrong.

I didnt get almost 21,000 posts by using other screen names.