You're right as it pertains to whatever problems you've (NW FA's) had with the AFA or other unions in the past. But the things you dislike are the same as I saw for much of my 27 year career - cronyism, MEC disregarding the desires of the members (and members blaming the union for things the members ratified), recall election games, etc.
I will tell you what they need to do regarding these proposed YES/NO formats.
going forward there needs to be the ability to have three elections using the YES/NO.
1.
initial election determining Union representation- the group will vote using a YES/NO ballot and determine they actually wish to have Union Representation. (there are no Unions on the that ballot) as this election will simply determine how to proceed. If the group majority chooses to secure Representation a second election will commence using a YES/NO ballot with a list of eligible Unions. If the group majority chooses not to have any Representation its over right there.
if the vote is majority YES, the second election is established with a list of Unions, if the majority vote is NO, thats it!
that would allow those who are determined they must have a contract an ability to maintain a Union going forward,
if the majority chooses YES.
2.
second election determining the Union Representative- the group will vote using a YES/NO ballot and will choose from a list of eligible Unions and will mark YES for a particular Union on the list or simply vote NO for all Unions on the list. The actual majority in that election will determine who is the winner. If a particular Union has the most YES votes they are the representative, if the majority of votes is NO, there is no winner/no Representation.
3.
election removing a Union from the property- the group will have an opportunity to vote out a Union using a YES/NO ballot and the majority of either YES or NO will determine if the Union stays...or goes.
You can only escape that remote possibility by being non-union which presents it's own set of unpleasant possibilities - remote or not.
well!
sometimes you just gotta do what ya gotta do!
You apparently see "complaining" as having a negative connotation but people generally don't complain about things they don't care about. I have no doubt that you care greatly about these subjects, but will effect no change by commenting on them here - I doubt that 1% of DL/NW FA's even read these forums (the same hold for other groups and other airlines).
you see it as complaining and a negative connotation, I simply clarified that I do not see it that way,
at all.
I'm still confused then - I thought, like ALPA, the AFA MEC was composed of the local reps but that, like ALPA again, the MEC officers weren't voted on by the membership.
the LEC votes for the MEC and we, members only vote for the LEC.
its like this, you vote for Mayor in your city, but you cannot vote for the Governor of the State or President.. the way AFA has it set up. You only vote for those at your base, as a member. You do not participate in the vote of MEC or National, as a member.
excuse me? I pay them dues not the other way around.
hello?
And this is why I'm confused - what seem to be conflicting statements. Is it the MEC that isn't elected by the members, just the MEC officers, or both?
the point is simply it should not be a confusing process. it should be a clear and to the point.
the members elect all Officers.
the way they have it set up is like..
:blink:
Both mean the same in this context as far as I'm concerned. As I said, those who don't care about something usually don't complain about it. I think we've enter the realm of a previous discussion where I asserted that the membership can effect change if they're involved and informed while you enumerated the "reasons" why the membership couldn't be involved or informed.
those who care are actually the ones who make the most noise.
those who dont care dont do anything.
As I said in the last post, change starts at the bottom. If those at the bottom - the membership - just _______ (complain or care, take your pick) among themselves but take no action to effect change, change will never come. I firmly believe that.
thats great you believe that as everyone is entitled to their personal opinion!
