US 807 CLT-PHX-HNL today...and tomorrow

[Travelpro72]

Do you REALLY think DAL OR US really care that this is a competing flight.

No I'm sure Delta doesn't care that US is running a CLT-HNL flight at all as they know their product, service reliability and equipment are superior to US and their "little engine that could" competitive service. As for US, well they don't care about Delta and their more superior product, reliability and equipment as most of management out in Tempe believe they do EVERYTHING perfect. So no I don't think anyone cares. 🙄

 

[FlyOnWall]

Well, there are many flights that run poorly operationally. Lest all of you forget the bottom of the barrel in otp in Delta these days, so don't go there. My POINT is don't run off your mouth and say the "service" is abysmal. Say the OPERATION is abysmal because we f/a's AND pilots have worked our butts off on that flight to offer a pretty damn good (at least) inflight experience. Until any of you have sen what we actually DO on that flight and worked it, you need to STFU!! 😛

When they say "the service" they are talking about the flight itself, not the inflight service. 🙄 Everyone knows what to expect there- industry minimum provided inconsistently. It's amazing how many of us have been here for decades yet appear to know so little about anything regarding the airline outside of Atlas bins and trip sheets...

 

[Black Magic]

I'd take bets that US clt-hnl flight is the same price as Delta atl-hnl. On Delta you get a true nonstop flight on a better aircraft and product, sounds like a no-brainer choice to me.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I'd take bets that US clt-hnl flight is the same price as Delta atl-hnl. On Delta you get a true nonstop flight on a better aircraft and product, sounds like a no-brainer choice to me.

A VERY quick and unscientifc check of pricing CLT-HNL on US versus CLT-ATL-HNL on DL departing 1/19 returning 1/26. Drum roll Please/

US - $858.00
DL - $814.00

OK folks there it is! Bombs Away LOL

 

[BoeingBoy]

Saying service is as much a play on words as saying DIRECT instead of nonstop! I stand by my post!

No - saying "service" only means inflight service is the play on words. "Direct" and "non-stop" are standard industry terms, as is "service".

 

[BuffaloJoe]

I'd take bets that US clt-hnl flight is the same price as Delta atl-hnl. On Delta you get a true nonstop flight on a better aircraft and product, sounds like a no-brainer choice to me.

Plus Delta/Northwest planes that fly the route are not 20+years old.

CO flies a 767-400 from EWR-HNL.

I just say put that extra A330-200 on the route till April. Put the 767 on PHL-MUC. Sure it will cost more to staff, but what fees does a fuel stop incur? Plus isn't the 330 more fuel efficient than their 767's?

 

[Barbell]

A VERY quick and unscientifc check of pricing CLT-HNL on US versus CLT-ATL-HNL on DL departing 1/19 returning 1/26. Drum roll Please/

US - $858.00
DL - $814.00

OK folks there it is! Bombs Away LOL

A VERY quick and unscientific check of pricing ATL-HNL on DL versus ATL-CLT-HNL on US departing 1/20 returning 1/26 (for whatever reason I can't pull an ATL x/CLT HNL on 1/19).

US - $430.00
DL - $1,005.00

Weird. Your point?

 

[Black Magic]

A VERY quick and unscientific check of pricing ATL-HNL on DL versus ATL-CLT-HNL on US departing 1/20 returning 1/26 (for whatever reason I can't pull an ATL x/CLT HNL on 1/19).

US - $430.00
DL - $1,005.00

Weird. Your point?

That DL $1,005 price is roundtrip. On US site the $430 is one-way, need to add a return to get a better comparison price.

Looks like a retun flight is $370-500 or more. Like I say compare it any way nonstop or with connecting the price is same or within a hairs breath of eachother.

 

[desertsun]

Obviously us is pricing atl hnl through clt very low to draw atl local pax off of the dl nonstop and putting them over clt I.e. Sending a message to dl. However, dl doesn't need to react due to their connecting network and general ff base.

Seems to me us is losing money on these people. That 400 dollar or whatever it is fare doesn't pay for the fuel.

 

[BoeingBoy]

The US web site isn't showing the non-stop CLT_HNL on the 19th or HNL-CLT on the 26th (Tuesdays - what's up with that?), so departing on 1/20/2010 and returning on 1/27/2010 (7 day stay, round trip):

US $858 + taxes fees (CLT-HNL-CLT)
DL $774 + taxes/fees (CLT-ATL-HNL-ATL-CLT)

Jim

ps - don't know if it's a web site issue, but the CLT-HNL-CLT flights don't show operating on Tuesday starting on 1/19/2010 and resuming on 2/16/2010. If that's right, the trip over on Monday the 18th through Monday the 8th of Feb will be nice trips - 2 nights and all day in HNL.

Jim

 

[SparrowHawk]

The US web site isn't showing the non-stop CLT_HNL on the 19th or HNL-CLT on the 26th (Tuesdays - what's up with that?), so departing on 1/20/2010 and returning on 1/27/2010 (7 day stay, round trip):

US $858 + taxes fees (CLT-HNL-CLT)
DL $774 + taxes/fees (CLT-ATL-HNL-ATL-CLT)

Jim

ps - don't know if it's a web site issue, but the CLT-HNL-CLT flights don't show operating on Tuesday starting on 1/19/2010 and resuming on 2/16/2010. If that's right, the trip over on Monday the 18th through Monday the 8th of Feb will be nice trips - 2 nights and all day in HNL.

Jim

I was able to price on the 19th and 26th respectively.

Since the pricing to me is essentially the same it would seem that the battle for market share would center around the following:
On Time Performance
Fees or lack thereof
On Board amenities - Food & Beverage, etc
Inflight Service from staff

Perhaps lastly would be the ability for the A/C to actually make it to HNL without stopping in PHX

 

[BoeingBoy]

I was able to price on the 19th and 26th respectively.

On the US web site? Maybe the change in date had an effect - the other fares were posted here before midnight and I checked after midnight - but I can't see any logical reason for that to make a difference when looking at 3 weeks out. Or it could be a web site glitch, although it seems strange that a glitch would affect only 4 Tuesdays and no other days.

Also, Kayak didn't show the non-stop for the 19th (didn't check the other Tuesdays) - but it does show that $430 fare for the connection through PHX. Even Barbell said that he couldn't get the US non-stop fare for HNL-CLT on the 26th.

At any rate, after midnight the US site didn't show the non-stop either way on Jan 19th/26th or Feb 2nd/9th, whether booking a flight or in the schedule.

Jim

 

[BoeingBoy]

Interesting article on Nov traffic to HI...

"The number of visitors traveling to Hawaii fell 1.4 percent in November from the same month a year earlier as the weak economy continued to drag down the state's tourism industry."

"The number of arrivals from the western part of the U.S. fell 3.4 percent, while those from the East sank 7.8 percent and Canada dropped 7.4 percent."

Article

Jim

 

[Travelpro72]

Maybe US will add another 1stop nonstop.

 

[SOA2]

The ITA web site shows no non-stops departing CLT for HNL for the following Tuesdays in the first quarter of 2010: 1/19, 1/26, 2/2, and 2/9. Otherwise, prices (RT with all taxes and fees) range from $893 to $1593 for a trip duration of 6-8 days.