Yesterday Jan 6th and Today Jan 7th. Stops in PHX
So do we know what Tempe Plans to Do as this Flight will be Making the DOT Hit List ?????
US 807 CLT-PHX-HNL today...and tomorrow
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Yesterday Jan 6th and Today Jan 7th. Stops in PHX
So do we know what Tempe Plans to Do as this Flight will be Making the DOT Hit List ?????
It would be from the Department of Transportation (i.e. Chronic late flight list) - happens all the time. As for "swimming", that will be remidied by either permanently publishing a stop or dropping the flight. My prediction is this route ceases mid September. This should be published probably the April sked load, especially if fuel continues to creep up. It's got to be a killer on the cost side even now.
Yes the DOT can Fine the Airlines for operating a Flight that is Chronicly late ie 807. My guess is that at some point will be scheduled CLT-PHX-HNL as the current Pilot Agreement Alllows.
Here is a link talking about Airline Fines for Late Flights.... it may be old but proves the point.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/trav...syndication=rss
Here is a link talking about Airline Fines for Late Flights.... it may be old but proves the point.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/trav...syndication=rss
DOT Consumer Rule Limits:
• Prohibits airlines from scheduling chronically delayed flights (those arriving > 70% late in a quarter), subjecting those who do to DOT enforcement action for unfair and deceptive practices;
• Requires airlines to designate an airline employee to monitor the effects of flight delays and cancellations, respond in a timely and substantive fashion to consumer complaints and provide information to consumers on where to file complaints;
• Requires airlines to display on their website flight delay information for each domestic flight they operate;
• Requires airlines to adopt customer service plans and audit their own compliance with their plans; and
• Prohibits airlines from retroactively applying material changes to their contracts of carriage that could have a negative impact on consumers who already have purchased tickets.
Source: US DOT - 199-09
Rule #1 doesn't mention any exceptions for aircraft performance. I would think if something were late >70% for a quarter, then perhaps a substitution would be advisable.
• Prohibits airlines from scheduling chronically delayed flights (those arriving > 70% late in a quarter), subjecting those who do to DOT enforcement action for unfair and deceptive practices;
• Requires airlines to designate an airline employee to monitor the effects of flight delays and cancellations, respond in a timely and substantive fashion to consumer complaints and provide information to consumers on where to file complaints;
• Requires airlines to display on their website flight delay information for each domestic flight they operate;
• Requires airlines to adopt customer service plans and audit their own compliance with their plans; and
• Prohibits airlines from retroactively applying material changes to their contracts of carriage that could have a negative impact on consumers who already have purchased tickets.
Source: US DOT - 199-09
Rule #1 doesn't mention any exceptions for aircraft performance. I would think if something were late >70% for a quarter, then perhaps a substitution would be advisable.
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Rather than pad the schedule, they will change the flight numbers weekly so the general public does not catch on since there is limited history.
I don't see how its "padding" the schedule if it takes X amount of time normally to fly from A to B and thats what the airline schedules.
If there were no other planes on the ramp, 2 min taxi outs, 86 mins flight time and 2 mins taxi in = 90 minutes and the airline schedules 2:15, then yea, thats padding.
If there are other planes at the airport, 30 min taxi outs are a normal occurance (especially if the plane gets stuck in the alley), 86 mins flight time and 5 mins taxi in and they schedule 2 hours, then it isnt padding. Its realistic. On the days they only have 10 min taxiout and you get there 20 mins early, good for you. If they only scheduled a 10 min taxi out every day knowing that most days it takes longer than that and it ran late every day, some of you would be screaming that they arent being realistic with their flight scheduling.
I'd rather have the "padded" times if you want to call it that, and run a realistic schedule most days rather than trying to play catch up because the schedules are unrealistic most days.
If there were no other planes on the ramp, 2 min taxi outs, 86 mins flight time and 2 mins taxi in = 90 minutes and the airline schedules 2:15, then yea, thats padding.
If there are other planes at the airport, 30 min taxi outs are a normal occurance (especially if the plane gets stuck in the alley), 86 mins flight time and 5 mins taxi in and they schedule 2 hours, then it isnt padding. Its realistic. On the days they only have 10 min taxiout and you get there 20 mins early, good for you. If they only scheduled a 10 min taxi out every day knowing that most days it takes longer than that and it ran late every day, some of you would be screaming that they arent being realistic with their flight scheduling.
I'd rather have the "padded" times if you want to call it that, and run a realistic schedule most days rather than trying to play catch up because the schedules are unrealistic most days.
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The DL/NW flight past near PHX just after the CLT landed there! DL/NW done the route with an A330-300 today!
I don't have the capabilities to research, but since say December 1, how many times has DL/NW ATL-HNL diverted?
Travels2mch
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How about quit lying to your customers and quit selling this pig as a non stop flight.
SS255
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Has this flight arrived on time yet?
