US Pilot Labor Thread 10/27-11/2

[oldiebutgoody]

Must be a terrible burden: Knowing it all.

He's still bitter for not getting his windfall over twenty years ago. This is EXACTLY the ALPA mindframe. That's why they're dinosaurs.

 

[BoeingBoy]

He's still bitter for not getting his windfall over twenty years ago. This is EXACTLY the ALPA mindframe. That's why they're dinosaurs.

And this is typical of many Easties - anyone who disagrees must have some flaw since there can be no disagreement with anything East wants.

Jim

 

[Piedmont1984]

Because your side has harmed us beyond belief, because most east pilots voted for this union in the hopes to recover your careers at the expense of the west, because original cactus pilots are on the street while new hires continue flying, because we have and will continue to lose thousands of dollars because of the actions of most east pilots, and because the east pilots deserve to be banned not just from the west aircraft but from all cockpits in the industry.

Just wondering if you are a captain - or one of those angry f/o's who was carrying his lunchbox on a school bus when most of us in the east were already flying approaches for this company?

You are upset because we are keeping you from getting what you didn't earn - the old fashioned way.

Was also wondering if you happen to commute and depend on the random kindness of strangers like most commuters do - or are you one of those desert people who are quick to condemn others whose shoes you have never walked in?

Finally, you don't know squat about why I voted for USAPA and your distorted characterization that I want something at your expense - is just that.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

And this is typical of many Easties - anyone who disagrees must have some flaw since there can be no disagreement with anything East wants.

Jim

NO, it's just that what you propose is WRONG. What Piedmont did to the Empire guys was wrong. What AMR did to the TWA guys was equally wrong (I know that AMR isn't ALPA, but TWA ALPA allowed it). Only the ALPA dinosaurs can find ways to justify it. Pilots' careers are limited by age, so what you propose means that MANY in this field would NEVER have the opportunities you had, even though you are bitter about it. You need to have the ALPA chip removed from your head.

 

[cleardirect]

NO, it's just that what you propose is WRONG. What Piedmont did to the Empire guys was wrong. What AMR did to the TWA guys was equally wrong (I know that AMR isn't ALPA, but TWA ALPA allowed it). Only the ALPA dinosaurs can find ways to justify it. Pilots' careers are limited by age, so what you propose means that MANY in this field would NEVER have the opportunities you had, even though you are bitter about it. You need to have the ALPA chip removed from your head.

Oldie,

I would suggest that you take your own advice. No one from the west is talking about ALPA anymore. It is you and your east friends that can not get over ALPA. Check the posts. Look who keeps bringing up ALPA.

You continue to blame them for your poor career. Get over it. They are not here anymore. It is all USAPA now.

What has USAPA done for you lately?

 

[cleardirect]

WOW des nudo,

You go from lurker to 17 posts in one day. You go from asking questions to insults in about 3 posts. Go from lurker to blaming the west for destroying unionism around the world in the span of a couple hours.

"Enough said."

Sounds a lot like another poster.

Eastus is that you? Just can’t help yourself can you?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Oldie,

I would suggest that you take your own advice. No one from the west is talking about ALPA anymore. It is you and your east friends that can not get over ALPA. Check the posts. Look who keeps bringing up ALPA.

You continue to blame them for your poor career. Get over it. They are not here anymore. It is all USAPA now.

What has USAPA done for you lately?

So your check for the membership dues has cleared; glad to hear it. In less than a year here USAPA HAS ALREADY done for me way more than ALPA did in over 20. It's a pleasure to have a union with some real vision for a change, instead of just me, me, me all the time.

Jim is just bitter that he didn't get his windfall 20 years ago, when DOH was the method used for the US/PI merger. Everyone can see that; I don't have to keep bringing it up, because he does.

 

[cleardirect]

So your check for the membership dues has cleared; glad to hear it. In less than a year here USAPA HAS ALREADY done for me way more than ALPA did in over 20. It's a pleasure to have a union with some real vision for a change, instead of just me, me, me all the time.

Jim is just bitter that he didn't get his windfall 20 years ago, when DOH was the method used for the US/PI merger. Everyone can see that; I don't have to keep bringing it up, because he does.

It’s only about the money right?

What does my check have to do with you bringing up ALPA?

I guess I missed it. What has USAPA done for you that ALPA did not do in 20 years? What are USAPA’s accomplishments?

 

[nic4us]

Nic, I agree there could be a reason to deny for both sides. The only one could be either party not having respect for the other side and their views. If the 18+6 feel strong about their case and the expected results, move on and keep politics out of it. Like my AERO MED DR. who helped a west pilot get his medical back sooner than ALPA AERO MED said they could,(6 mo. sooner) " We have different feelings on the political issues, but there is no room in this office for politics. Good advice for all.

Cubfan

I agree with you 99%. In 22 years of airline flying, 15 as captain, I have never denied nor seen a jumpseat request denied. I am doing everything I can to keep it that way. But to say the cactus 18 do not respect the views of USAPA is the understatement of the year.

I will continue to give it my best effort to extend proffessional courtesy to all in regards to jumpseat. There are other more appropriate venues to air our disagreements.

Further, of the 18+6, I can tell you that many of them are sickened over issues like this. They have had this position forced upon them with no relation to the chares USAPA claims.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

It’s only about the money right?

No, but I thought you said that USAPA was YOUR union. I guess you were lying again.

What does my check have to do with you bringing up ALPA?

You're either a member or your not. You just stated that USAPA was your union. YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. My point was that some folks on here ARE LIVING IN THE PAST. I guess YOU just confirmed it.

I guess I missed it. What has USAPA done for you that ALPA did not do in 20 years? What are USAPA’s accomplishments?

I'd make you a list, but it's really NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

 

[nic4us]

nic, once again, its obvious your not a senior awa pilot. Ive looked at the seniority list and based on DOH, your most "senior" loudmouth has a July 1990 hire date. Your agitators average a 1999 hire date. Pilots hired 20 years ago would put them in the top 10% of westies and hardly in a position to be furloughed or downgraded. You keep bringing this "east pilot junior to them" when right now there are still 2 lists. Until theres one contract, theyll be 2 lists. Until then, seniority resides in the list your on. Sounding like a broken record, it was LCC that decided who would be furloughed and downgraded, not USAPA. snuper

Snoop

"once again" is it that obvious I am not senior. I never claimed to be, nor do I consider myself to be senior. I will still claim however, that as a lineholding airbus captain at the time of the merger, I should remain senior to your furloughs that DOH puts above the 20 year captain.

I am not sure who you refer to as our most "senior" loudmouth but the hire date would put them at about number 600, or rughly 30% and 18+ years. I will concede that the majority of "agitators" have hire dates in the late 90's. But you need to take another look, 20 years does not go top 10%, and DOH and C&Rs does not stop a pilot furloughed at the merger from coming in above that level.

You are correct LCC decides who to furlough and how much from their respective list, but USAPA asked for that special deal for the 9 west furloughs returning to east, yet did not do anything for pilots SENIOR to them being furloughed.

 

[cleardirect]

No, but I thought you said that USAPA was YOUR union. I guess you were lying again.


You're either a member or your not. You just stated that USAPA was your union. YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. My point was that some folks on here ARE LIVING IN THE PAST. I guess YOU just confirmed it.


I'd make you a list, but it's really NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.

What post are you looking at?

It is that reading comprehension thing again. Me as the author when I use the word your. It means you. If I was including myself I would have said “myâ€￾ union or “ourâ€￾ union. I did not. I say and meant you and the east union. So stop accusing me of lying when it is you that can not understand simple English.

I have never claimed to be a member of USAPA. It is not my union.

Yes I confirmed that some are living in the past. It would be east pilots. You east guys are the ones continually bringing up ALPA.

None of my business what USAPA has done for you. Very mature. Are you going to take your ball and go home too? Jeez, I just asked for a list of accomplishments. I would think that you would want to tell the world what USAPA has done for you. But you have a secret and you are not going to tell anyone.

 

[nic4us]

"I would expect this of someone who has been accused of the childish actions mentioned in the law suit. These america west pilots were the bottom of the barrel hires, you could only expect the bottom of the barrel conduct."

Nostodamus,

Help me out here, are you implying that all AWA were bottom of the barrel or just the Cactus 18?

 

[oldiebutgoody]

What post are you looking at?

It is that reading comprehension thing again. Me as the author when I use the word your. It means you. If I was including myself I would have said “myâ€￾ union or “ourâ€￾ union. I did not. I say and meant you and the east union. So stop accusing me of lying when it is you that can not understand simple English.

I have never claimed to be a member of USAPA. It is not my union.

Yes I confirmed that some are living in the past. It would be east pilots. You east guys are the ones continually bringing up ALPA.

None of my business what USAPA has done for you. Very mature. Are you going to take your ball and go home too? Jeez, I just asked for a list of accomplishments. I would think that you would want to tell the world what USAPA has done for you. But you have a secret and you are not going to tell anyone.

Hmmm....It's all USAPA now. Okay. So it is. And I wonder what they would classify one who does not join their own union? Oh, right, we've been through that before. Your status hasn't changed, despite the fact that you say, "it's all USAPA now". Very interesting and telling, as well.

As for my list. I'm not on here to do your homework for you. If you want some kind of list, do it for yourself. The fact that USAPA is introducing fairness into ALPA's stupid merger system is enough for me. The fact that I'm not getting constant assessments for everything under the sun is another. Start with those two, and keep going if you really want some kind of "list".

As for maturity. You can file that in the same circular file with your idiotic claim of west "integrity". It's obvious that you and others don't understand the concept of either.

 

[ableoneable]

In less than a year here USAPA HAS ALREADY done for me way more than ALPA did in over 20.

Can you please be specific?

I am dying to see you list all (or even one) of these accomplishments.