US Pilot Labor Thread 11/3-11/9

[oldiebutgoody]

If you keep an open mind, and are truely honest with yourself, If the "merger" hadn't occured, we may all be selling shoes.

No way. Some would be looking for used ones in trash cans, so that their feet don't get cold while they sleep under the bridge. Oh, that's right. It doesn't get cold in Phoenix.

 

[sharktooth]

If the "merger" hadn't occurred he would be selling shoes, as would you.

That is so wrong. While that may be your career path, those who might have been furloughed in a possible downsize, at least those I know, would likely have moved onto bigger and better occupations.

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[Furlough Fodder]

We all measure reality through our own eyes, furlo fodder. Having raised 3 millennials, Ive seen it first hand. Somehow they thought the law of economic cycles was repealed by Clinton/Bush and that all job movements were upward. Now there getting a dose of Econ 101 reality. They do have a family business to fall back on and 1 may end up back on the farm after graduation. After two downgrades (my first airline died with me at the outstation, talk about being naive), I realize this job is only temporary. You make the most out of it you can, hope for the best, prepare for the worst. If you got a problem with that, sorry. If your banking on your furlo being stopped by a lawsuit and have no plan “B,â€￾ you could be in for a hard lesson in Law 101. I think you got better chance with USAPA dispute arbitration. But even if USAPA wins and you come right back to work, it will be the same tired accusations. the snoop

Comparing the furloughs to "millennials" is laughable. I didn't know US Airways has 20 year old pilots. This is the basis for your loss of credibility on this issue. If you honestly believe that some of us are sitting around and waiting for a judge to end our furlough instead of looking for other employment then you are WAY off base.

 

[BoeingBoy]

First i should start out by saying im not a pilot

I'm confused...you're not a pilot so this won't affect you. Not that I mind you sharing your opinion in the least, just curious.

Jim

 

[Phoenix]

Ever since I stopped being a brick layer, i generally no longer visit the brick layer forum. But people do scratch their head when I do. :huh:

 

[UtterlyUdder]

Darn...somebody left the door open and a gnat got in...

ZZZZZZ ZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZ ZZZSplat.

Jim

I agree with Nostra.........You are using up all of the cyberink here. ZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!
Gnat indeed. <_< It has finally dawned on me that you have either a very big ax that needs grinding very much or...........you own this USAir forum. Since I don't think your problem is the latter.......weeeedoggies! It must be the former.

 

[UtterlyUdder]

ZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZ

Me too Nostra, me too.. ..........ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!!! 🙄 :blink:

I am glad I am so busy after my retirement!!! Jim obviously isn't....busy that is. What a shame. :down:

 

[nostradamus]

Jim actually brings a lot of information to the subject, though I disagree with his pilot seniority views. We have been butting heads for quite a while, fortunately for me my head is not one of my vital organs.

We are getting together soon to co star in another remake of Grumpy Old Men, the aviation version. I am not sure who should play which roll.

Jim, I am not extending an olive branch, I hope you consider this a thorny bush.

 

[Megasnoop]

Comparing the furloughs to "millennials" is laughable. I didn't know US Airways has 20 year old pilots. This is the basis for your loss of credibility on this issue. If you honestly believe that some of us are sitting around and waiting for a judge to end our furlough instead of looking for other employment then you are WAY off base.

FF, If you read my previous posts, I mentioned Gen-xers as well as "millenials." I never said we had any 20 year old pilots. You did and that was laughable. But we do have some millenials (27-28 years old) at the bottom of the list. Not quite as "laughable" as youd like to scoff. And most furloughed are Gen-exers, again read my previous posts. We had a soon-to-be-furloughed West JSer going to Europe last week, interviewing for another job. Before the CA found him a seat in row 1 (sleeper seat, first class, FF), he talked about what going on in PHX. he said, junior west pilots awaiting the furlough ax are doing nothing, wating for their AOL/AWAPPA lawsuit boats to come in. Not good career planning, FF. That was my point. Sorry you think it "laughable." Snoop, aka "Tom the Pilot"

 

[Furlough Fodder]

FF, If you read my previous posts, I mentioned Gen-xers as well as "millenials." I never said we had any 20 year old pilots. You did and that was laughable. But we do have some millenials (27-28 years old) at the bottom of the list. Not quite as "laughable" as youd like to scoff. And most furloughed are Gen-exers, again read my previous posts. We had a soon-to-be-furloughed West JSer going to Europe last week, interviewing for another job. Before the CA found him a seat in row 1 (sleeper seat, first class, FF), he talked about what going on in PHX. he said, junior west pilots awaiting the furlough ax are doing nothing, wating for their AOL/AWAPPA lawsuit boats to come in. Not good career planning, FF. That was my point. Sorry you think it "laughable." Snoop, aka "Tom the Pilot"

Well let me straighten the record then. Out of the numerous fellow furloughs that have remained in contact with each other so far, there is not one that I can think of that didn't realize that there are such things as downturns in this economy and that such bad times could bring the very real possibility of losing one's job. I also have yet to meet that "mythical" pilot who is so unconcerned about there situation as to sit back and wait for a judge to rule instead of look for employment.

 

[traderjake]

and yes when i use the word seniority i consider it the day i was hired .

You and the majority of the East may not understand the difference between longevity and seniority but the arbitrator did and so will the judge who rules on the matter.

 

[N905TW]

junior west pilots awaiting the furlough ax are doing nothing, wating for their AOL/AWAPPA lawsuit boats to come in.

I'm an admitted lurker and had sworn off these East dominated boards months ago, but decided to check in on things and saw this wonderful comment. While you say it was "said by a West pilot", I can almost see the glee in your face as you repeat what you "say" you heard. The context, of course, is that us junior Westies are lazy and sitting on our rumps waiting for our "ship to come in". As one of these pilots, I can assure you that no one I know in our situation is sitting around. Most are frantically trying to find something, anything, in order to save our homes, families, and marriages. But thank you for your concern.

I wish I had responded sooner to this thread, but as a young, wet behind the ears, 400 hour, born while you were flying the DC9 into PIT, Ipod-wearing, backpack-toting Westy, I was caught up in watching 90210 this week and playing on my X box.

Its sad that you Easties can take such pleasure in the fact that 175 West pilots are hitting the streets while pilots hired since the merger remain on the payroll on the East coast. Its sad that your sham of a pilot union can take out USA Today newspaper ads and scream bloody murder when a handful of pilots are asked about abnormal fuel burns, yet turn the other way and do nothing of substance when 175 pilots are furloughed out of seniority order. So much for "Seniority Matters". It must only matter if you are among the USAPA chosen elite.

 

[Megasnoop]

sworn off these East dominated boards months ago,

East dominated? Whatever. Id say the posts even out.

I can almost see the glee in your face as you repeat what you "say" you heard. The context, of course, is that us junior Westies are lazy and sitting on our rumps waiting for our "ship to come in".

No glee TW. I was repeating what I definitely heard. Would my posting his name make you happy? I have it. You missed the context. Except for new-hires, we dont have any millenials and few Gen-xers working back east. It was a comment on 3 different generations and how we view employment. Your Gen-X anger blinded you to my point. Turn it into a East-West argument if you will.

As one of these pilots, I can assure you that no one I know in our situation is sitting around. Most are frantically trying to find something, anything, in order to save our homes, families, and marriages. But thank you for your concern.

TW, just making an observation based on a fact, I conversation I was involved in. If families and marriages fall apart over a stupid furlough, dont know what to say, TW. My marriage is the for better or worse, for richer or poorer, in sickness and health. My wife has had more worse, poorer and sickness than better, richer and health. Good luck to you, though.

I wish I had responded sooner to this thread, but as a young, wet behind the ears, 400 hour, born while you were flying the DC9 into PIT, Ipod-wearing, backpack-toting Westy, I was caught up in watching 90210 this week and playing on my X box.

You must have gone to the same school as my son. At least he wasnt stupid enough to want to be a commercial pilot.

Its sad that you Easties can take such pleasure in the fact that 175 West pilots are hitting the streets while pilots hired since the merger remain on the payroll on the East coast. Its sad that your sham of a pilot union can take out USA Today newspaper ads and scream bloody murder when a handful of pilots are asked about abnormal fuel burns, yet turn the other way and do nothing of substance when 175 pilots are furloughed out of seniority order. So much for "Seniority Matters". It must only matter if you are among the USAPA chosen elite.

We dont take much pleasure in any of this furlo stuff, TW. Thats why USAPA filed 2 TA disputes. If USAPA wins, TW, you win. No furlough. Were doing this all on our own, no help from the West since your side harasses your own who want to help. If we win, only the most junior 2007-2008 pilots will be on furlough. Rather than help us, you file a lawsuit. Not that youll then start paying dues if we win. Pay or get fired, that your call. Snoop, aka "Pete the Pilot"

 

[Metroyet]

Pay or get fired, that your call. Snoop, aka "Pete the Pilot"

Exactly what does a "west" guy get for his money? Correct me If I'm wrong but here is all USAPA has offered the West, (remember USAPA has spent a grand total of 4 hours in the last 12 months in phoenix promoting itself as a "union for all US Air Pilots")

1. Pilots getting sued via RICO
2. Tyranny of the Majority
3. Zero chance of ever getting a contract
4. A Staple Job.
5. Continually changing rules to suit the East
6. Class Action Law Suits
7. An immature hissy fit spelled out in USA Today.
8. Furloughs out of seniority
9. The Disregarding of all former obligations...(correction, all the obligations that a certain segment of the East wishes it hadn't already agreed to but did anyway)

So with this basic and irrefutable list in mind, answer me this..

Why the "F" would any West pilot in their right mind actually PAY MONEY to support this regime?!! If the Tables were turned, nobody on the East would pay either. Common Sense. The Easties can't hide behind the RLA anymore. The RLA was never intended to be used as a lever against a minority pilot group from a larger one.

I've given thousands to AWAPPA and Leonidis LLC...Not one penny to the half brained, hair triggered, group of mongoloid keystone cops you call a "union". How many have been fired by the tough guy fake union anyway?...ZERO!


'Nuff Said.

I love how you guys think you're intimidating...Kinda cute like when a kitten attacks it's own shadow...

 

[tazz]

Exactly what does a "west" guy get for his money? Correct me If I'm wrong but here is all USAPA has offered the West, (remember USAPA has spent a grand total of 4 hours in the last 12 months in phoenix promoting itself as a "union for all US Air Pilots")

1. Pilots getting sued via RICO
2. Tyranny of the Majority
3. Zero chance of ever getting a contract
4. A Staple Job.
5. Continually changing rules to suit the East
6. Class Action Law Suits
7. An immature hissy fit spelled out in USA Today.
8. Furloughs out of seniority
9. The Disregarding of all former obligations...(correction, all the obligations that a certain segment of the East wishes it hadn't already agreed to but did anyway)

So with this basic and irrefutable list in mind, answer me this..

Why the "F" would any West pilot in their right mind actually PAY MONEY to support this regime?!! If the Tables were turned, nobody on the East would pay either. Common Sense. The Easties can't hide behind the RLA anymore. The RLA was never intended to be used as a lever against a minority pilot group from a larger one.

I've given thousands to AWAPPA and Leonidis LLC...Not one penny to the half brained, hair triggered, group of mongoloid keystone cops you call a "union". How many have been fired by the tough guy fake union anyway?...ZERO!


'Nuff Said.

I love how you guys think you're intimidating...Kinda cute like when a kitten attacks it's own shadow...

Very well said. I especially like the last line. That's how I picture these guys.