US Pilot labor thread 12/2-12/8

[Be Careful What You Wish For.]

...since you west blokes...

Since when does ANY Aussie use the word "bloke"?

Or any sepo living in Oz for that matter.

 

[ableoneable]

I rest my case...all you do is quote me and add a defacto remark.


I certainly hope the west lawyer gets more for you before he takes your money AND your career.

For the last 90 minutes, NOBODY has adequately addressed ANY remarks about his issue...it has shifted to "where are you? des nudo...nobody "I know" in Perth speaks this way...


No wonder you guys will surely lose....you crater under real scrutiny, but you "flex for all to see"

Happy trails

Actually I challenged you to back up your wild assertions with any kind of definitive proof. I am unaware of any west pilot being harassed for joining USAPA. I know of several who are on DCO and no-one has said boo to them about that choice.

It is you who has not addressed a single counterpoint.

 

[des nudo]

Actually I challenged you to back up your wild assertions with any kind of definitive proof. I am unaware of any west pilot being harassed for joining USAPA. I know of several who are on DCO and no-one has said boo to them about that choice.

It is you who has not addressed a single counterpoint.

Uh...yeah...Ok. (that'll work in court)

For my fans who cannot reason around my "slanguage"

This is the 5th country I have lived in since my seperastion after 20 years at USAirways...(former PSA)


I don't care what you get.

Why don't YOU clearly illustrate your case against USAPA here now, so we may all marvell in it's merits going forward....?

 

[ableoneable]

Uh...yeah...Ok. (that'll work in court)

For my fans who cannot reason around my "slanguage"

This is the 5th country I have lived in since my seperastion after 20 years at USAirways...(former PSA)


I don't care what you get.

These are the issues that the court will find relevant. You have not been able to offer anything here.

You are confused about the differences between union membership and a union's duty to fairly represent all workers employed under the CBA. They are separate issues and viewed as such by the courts.

The case is clear as is the Judge's opinion of USAPA's legal argument.

"Like many other cases USAPA cites on fair representation, Rakestraw will not bear the weight USAPA places upon it."

-- Judge Wake in his 20 November order.--

 

[des nudo]

still waiting for your "ironclad case" here...

bulletpoints will suffice.

I'm all ears

(maybe a "cactus- phone" to Jim....I see he's still lurking around...)

 

[ableoneable]

still waiting for your "ironclad case" here...

bulletpoints will suffice.

I'm all ears

You seem fixated on how and why west pilots were rejected, accepted or simply have not participated in USAPA membership. I have merely pointed out that these issues are de-coupled from USAPA's duty to represent all pilots.

The case is much stronger now than when it was first filed. USAPA did something incredibly stupid between the time Leonidis filed their suit and the time it came before Judge Wake. I will bet you have no idea what I am alluding to, but I bet others can figure it out.

 

[EyeInTheSky]

Eye is a former east pilot with an axe to grind. His statement that he is merely a "concerned customer" is disingenuous at best.

Are you sure I am a "he"? If you knew who I really was you'd be shocked. Keep in mind East pilots have lots of friends in very high places, where, shall we say, the word gets out to a bigger venue than USAviation. And, yes, I am concerned customer in the Platinum sense. Tootle loo...

Later,
Eye (In The Sky)

 

[ableoneable]

Are you sure I am a "he"? If you knew who I really was you'd be shocked. Keep in mind East pilots have lots of friends in very high places, where, shall we say, the word gets out to a bigger venue than USAviation. And, yes, I am concerned customer in the Platinum sense. Tootle loo...

Later,
Eye (In The Sky)

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Note-What part of don't make it personal don't you get?

 

[N924PS]

Keep in mind East pilots have lots of friends in very high places, where, shall we say, the word gets out to a bigger venue than USAviation.

Later,
Eye (In The Sky)

Those friends in high places certainly have done wonders for the East Pilots over the years haven't they?

Let me know when they get the word, I'm looking forward to some LOA 93 relief.

 

[Tiger 1050]

Uh...yeah...Ok. (that'll work in court)

For my fans who cannot reason around my "slanguage"

This is the 5th country I have lived in since my seperastion after 20 years at USAirways...(former PSA)


I don't care what you get.

Why don't YOU clearly illustrate your case against USAPA here now, so we may all marvell in it's merits going forward....?

Hey, I was wondering if this word is used "down under?"

poser 1 |ˈpÅ￾zÉ™r|
noun
a person who acts in an affected manner in order to impress others.

 

[Metroyet]

One more thing..whats a marmy?

A "Marmy" is a term one uses when he wants to sound like he's from downunder.

It's an accessory to ones fake written accent to throw off the fact that he used to be called Machtuck...from Philly.

It works flawlessly.

 

[tazz]

Are you sure I am a "he"? If you knew who I really was you'd be shocked. Keep in mind East pilots have lots of friends in very high places, where, shall we say, the word gets out to a bigger venue than USAviation. And, yes, I am concerned customer in the Platinum sense. Tootle loo...

Later,
Eye (In The Sky)

Are these "friends in high places" the current crack management team Parker dragged over from the east who are currently running the company into the ground? Might you actually be one of these lofty people in high places, sir/ms? Why the mystery? Please do enlighten us.

 

[PA18]

No, you just build west pairings that cover the flying necessary in the east. A 4 day trip that begins and ends in PHX but flys the balance in the "east system" (however you define that). Cross base TDY is prohibited per the TA.

The problem with that suggestion is that most of the East furloughs are coming from the ranks of the E-190 pilots. And there are no PHX or LAS pilots trained on that aircraft, no PHX or LAS E-190 domicile, and therefore no E-190 trips that could originate in the west and fly east.

 

[cleardirect]

Des,

For someone who claims to not be an east pilot anymore you seem curiously obsessed, with a lot of information. Seriously misinformed but in possession of all of the most popular east myths.

You accuse the west of “expecting the moon while not even membersâ€￾. What exactly are we asking for from USAPA? Could you point to a post demanding anything other than what we both agreed to? The Nicolau award.

You rambled on in several posts about the so called Suzie loophole. USAPA wrote the C&BL not the west. So any perceived loophole was created by USAPA. Al Hemenway declared that the west pilots could not legally be members. That is not just some claim made up by the west. Once again a neutral third party looked at this situation and came to the conclusion that the east pilots were wrong again. Obviously USAPA agreed that it was real because they went through a long and expensive change of the C&BL.

Your so called loophole is a straight reading of USAPA’ C&BL. A member must be voted in by the domicile rep. Is that what it said or not? Maybe you have some evidence that no one else has.

Now we move to your often repeated urban myth that no west pilot stepped up to be a rep and that anyone that did was threatened. I guess you missed the court filings from several west pilots declaring under oath that they had volunteered to be a rep but were turned down. So you are repeating a falsehood. Next story about the threats to anyone that wanted to be a rep. You continue to refer to some ongoing investigation into intimidation.

There was one or two west pilots that thought they wanted to be west reps. We all know who they are. Frankly we did not want them to represent us no matter who the association was. Let alone a biased one that is bent on doing harm to us. You make the claim that there is a investigation. Well where is it? It has been over 6 months. How long can it take to check the supposed facts? Could it be that this was looked into but found to be false? Besides how would you know. You are not an east pilot with any special knowledge about this. I work here and am pretty well connected but no one has heard anything about this. Again any proof beyond the fantasy of some east rumor mill?

 

[luvn737s]

The problem with that suggestion is that most of the East furloughs are coming from the ranks of the E-190 pilots. And there are no PHX or LAS pilots trained on that aircraft, no PHX or LAS E-190 domicile, and therefore no E-190 trips that could originate in the west and fly east.

If all furloughs began with the 3rd list, then east pilots would be displaced into the e-190 and any necessary backfilling of flying on either side could be accomplished through pairing construction.

Of course an E-190 base could be established and crewed by west pilots and the flights could originate in PHX/LAS and end up on the east coast after an intermediate leg (i.e. PHX-IAH-CLT and then carry out the remaining days in the east system). While there might be a limit to the number of pairings that could be built like this, it may be sufficient to cover the required flying. It would be interesting to see if this would be feasible.